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24 December 2013
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acmac
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John squelching Cynthia's artistic endeavors is one of the most disturbing things about John, to me. I wonder if the painting-over event happened before or after Sgt Pepperas John shows some awareness of himself with the "I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved" line.

25 December 2013
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fabfouremily
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^ It happened before, I think they'd only just moved into Kenwood. I agree that this aspect of John isn't a very nice one, to say the least. I don't know if it's because of jealousy because he liked to be the best, and Cynthia had/has talent, or what....

''We're just knocked out. We heard about the sell out. You gotta get an album out, you owe it to the people. We're so happy we can hardly count.''

3 January 2014
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Billy Rhythm
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Funny Paper said 

Lennon was a great musician; a piss-poor and reckless politician.

 

 

Lennon actually achieved much success as a "politician", more so than many others, in my opinion.  John Sinclair, who was sentenced to 10 years hard time for possessing two marijuana joints (that's right, two freakin' joints!) and denied parole on more than one occasion, was suddenly released from prison literally two days after John Lennon performed his song 'John Sinclair' at a rally in support of the man, I'd say that he was even feared by other politicians because of his political pull, "reckless"?  Sure, but far from "piss-poor".  He even survived attempts by others to victimize him with politics, such as the repeated attempts to have him deported, he appeared to me to have somewhat mastered the game of politics.

 

The well documented, and much criticised Peace Campaigns were later proved to be far ahead of their time.  'Give Peace A Chance' is an anthem that's become a staple at most peace demonstrations worldwide many decades later.  While John's message is still getting out there, most politicians who took up office in 1969 are long forgotten, most people can't even recite their names let alone their message today.  The 'Happy Xmas (War Is Over)' record which didn't fare too well in the United States at the time of its release (although it was a big hit in the UK) is still used very effectively each year to remind those of us who are more fortunate than others to think of those who aren't at Christmas time.

 

John's political shenanigans were very difficult to digest by many of those who'd followed his music career since the early days, some were even turned off by him forever, but it's kinda hard not to acknowledge the far reaching success of his political ideals and the effect on today's society, it's as immeasurable as The Beatles' effect has on today's world and very comparable.  Just as The Beatles spawned generations of countless souls seeking to further establish musical and cultural boundaries, Lennon "the politician" has spawned generations of his own, inspired to give back the "power to the people"...:-) 

3 January 2014
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Ron Nasty
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I agree with much of what you say there, BR. Unfortunately have to disagree that Lennon had anything to do with John Sinclair's released, or that Sinclair's release was at all sudden.

The rally, which featured many prominent artist including Stevie Wonder, Bob Seger and Phil Ochs, was held when it was held because there was a case due at the Michigan Supreme Court two days after that rally challenging the constitutionality of the State's marijuana laws.

Sinclair's imprisonment under those laws brought them to national prominence, but he was far from the only person imprisoned under them.

The Michigan Supreme Court struck down the State's harsh marijuana laws as unconstitutional, and Sinclair was released alongside many others following the day after the Court's ruling.

The Sinclair case was a small part of America's constant battle before and since between Federal, State and local law, and the Michigan case is famous not for the release of Sinclair, but for the lines it drew in enforcing anti-marijuana laws between Federal, State and local law/policy.

A battle that is still going on today, and has every chance of reaching the US Supreme Court as more States legalise marijuana against Federal law.

Sinclair was not released unexpectedly because John sang a song he wrote about the injustice of him being imprisoned under Michigan's laws regarding marijuana, but because the State's Supreme Court threw out those laws as breaking your constitution, which meant Sinclair and many others were freed. Once the State's ruled the law unconstitutional, Sinclair's release was completely expected.

 

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty
3 January 2014
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While I agree that it would be idealistic to suggest that "because John sang a song he wrote" were the chief reason for Sinclair's release, I think it's inaccurate to say that he didn't have "anything to do with John Sinclair's release" just the same.  While much of the publicity centered around the Michigan State Laws and whether or not they were justified, John shone a light on the humanitarian aspect to which many weren't aware of, the fact that an American Family Man was being given the same treatment as one would a Foreign Terrorist for simply possessing two marijuana joints.  Raising awareness about the John Sinclair case, which mirrored many others, could very well have been what ultimately turned the tide.  I'd say that John Lennon, along with Jerry Rubin, were instrumental in finally having this man reunited with his family for up until their involvement, John Sinclair was just another American Criminal that no one cared to know about.  Political pressure was mounting on the powers that be from all sides, but only John Lennon could steal the headlines from the politicking that had been delaying and denying this man's release that was long overdue...:-)

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