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Help Oppose John Lennon's Killer from getting Parole
10 June 2012
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I'm copying much of this information that is allready posted on other Beatle fan message boards.For those people interesting in sending off the E mail form or typed letters to the New York State prison system web site.I want to stand by John's wife Yoko and his sons and family members and the surviving former members of the band and all those that are angry and heartbroken over his assassination.His wife Yoko, no matter what everyone's personal feelings toward her are, had to witness her husband shot to death John's sons Sean and Julian lost their Dad.When every two years Yoko's lawyers sends out her personal letter opposing his release from prison ever.I want there be a invisible group of us,standing near her and John's Sons and all his fans, opposing this together in spirit etc. The killer has publicly stated in interviews,since he is now a born again Christian.That Jesus has forgiven him.So in his sick mind.I suppose he thinks thats why the parole board should just free him.I have no intention myself of forgiving him for murdering John.I think he is just waiting untill Yoko pass's away from old age.She about is 80 years old right.Then the New York State board can parole him. We have every right legally as we all have as adults living in the United States, to oppose his release from prison.He is living off all of our Federal and state tax payer money while in prison.We all have every right to oppose his release.Whether they intend to ever release him in the future from prison or not.Those that do wish not to do anything to oppose his release.I respect your right to not do anything to oppose or not agree with us..Please respect  our right to legally oppose XXXXXXX from ever getting out of prison.He wanted to be famous and be known for the one that assassinated John Lennon.That is the price he is going to pay every two years.I think that killer would just love for his fans.When his parole comes up.For us to just ignore it and not oppose it.That killer is not getting out of it every two years that easy.I want to add one last thing.I do not represent anyone in John Lennon's family or Yoko Ono,or any of his business interests etc.I also have no interest and no intention of ever answering any questions about this issue to any media or news organization etc.The parole board information,requests statements be turned in,no later than about one month before the parole date.So the people on the parole board can look at all the paperwork and letters in opposition or support for parole for inmates.I'm not going to be posting anything else in thread about his issue.Thank you everyone that submits this internet form and mails in letters etc to the New York parole board.Your suppose to get a e mail back.Just saying that they received your letters etc and form submitted and that they are forwarding it to the New York State parole board people etc.I am sending John's family and all his loved one and fans etc.My love and prayers.Thanks you and take care.

 

Help Oppose John Lennon's Killer xxxxxxxxx from getting Parole.

Unfortunately its that time again that John's murderous, cowardly,killer that assassinated him is up for his Parole hearing again this August 2012.Please share this information with others to help oppose his release from prison, on other message boards, the internet,Facebook and among friends etc.
You must put in the DIN (Department Identification Number) Mark D Chapman - 81A3860  on all letters and E mails etc.

Letters in support or opposition of an inmate's release should be sent to the address below and they will be forwarded to the appropriate facility.

NYS Board of Parole
97 Central Avenue
Albany, New York 12206

Identifying and Location Information
As of 05/16/12
DIN (Department Identification Number) 81A3860
Inmate Name CHAPMAN, MARK D
Sex MALE
Date of Birth 05/10/1955
Race / Ethnicity WHITE
Custody Status IN CUSTODY
Housing / Releasing Facility WENDE Correctional Facility in Alden, state of New York

Date Received (Original) 08/25/1981
Date Received (Current) 08/25/1981
Admission Type NEW COMMITMENT
County of Commitment NEW YORK
Sentence Terms and Release Dates
Under certain circumstances, an inmate may be released prior to serving his or her minimum term and before the earliest release date shown for the inmate.
As of 05/16/12
Aggregate Minimum Sentence
0020 Years, 00 Months, 00 Days
Aggregate Maximum Sentence
LIFE Years, 99 Months, 99 Days
Earliest Release Date
08/2012
Earliest Release Type
PAROLE HEARING DATE
Parole Hearing Date
08/2012
Parole Hearing Type
REAPPEARANCE
Parole Eligibility Date
12/04/2000
Conditional Release Date
NONE
Maximum Expiration Date
LIFE

State of New York Inmate population search online

http://161.11.122.150/parolebo.....ws.asp?nam

submit online a letter of opposition.

https://www.parole.ny.gov/letters.html

Life is what happens when your busy making other plans.  John Lennon
18 August 2012
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peregrine9
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CNN
8/18/2012
John Lennon's killer seeks freedom again

New York (CNN) -- Mark David Chapman, John Lennon's convicted killer, is up for parole for the seventh time and may be questioned as early as Tuesday, authorities said Friday.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/17/.....index.html

Submit online a letter to the New York State parole board in opposition to John Lennon's Killer getting paroled.His hearing is scheduled for sometime this week.?

You must put in the DIN (Department Identification Number)   81A3860 of the inmate  on all letters and E mails

https://www.parole.ny.gov/letters.html

Life is what happens when your busy making other plans.  John Lennon
18 August 2012
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I think we can agree that Like Charles Manson, MDC won't be getting parole anytime soon.  But still, thanks for the info and the links.  It never hurts to add our voices to the wall of opposition.

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18 August 2012
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Would be amazed if parole was granted. As soon as MDC walks out someone will be waiting, i dont agree with that form of action just how it will be. Unfortunately the media networks would be selling their souls for the 'true inside story', morals and decency left in shame years ago or rather were booted out in exchange for 'the exclusive' and that is what he wanted: to be famous, a somebody.

Not that i think he should be released, if i had my way he would be left in there isolated and stricken from human memory.

 

I will certainly write a letter but it will have to wait til Sunday afternoon, dont want to be sickened if he was released by not doing anything.

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18 August 2012
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I know what I'm about to post is bound to be controversial in the forum and I may get shunned for expressing it, but here goes:

I honestly don't understand why Mark David Chapman shouldn't be granted parole. I'm not saying this because I "like" the guy or "support" him--I mean, who could?!--but because I honestly believe that the only reason he's managed to stay in jail as long as he already has is because of who he killed rather than because of the crime he committed. You don't often hear about a one-person murderer sitting in jail for over thirty years: if he or she displays good behavior in jail (which MDC allegedly has...), he or she oftentimes walks free after only serving the minimal amount of time sentenced to his or her case. In Chapman's case, it was 20 years: John has been dead by his hand for over thirty. Does it seem fair that he should be treated any differently on an affair that, had he murdered any other person of a lesser societal status, he would have been allowed to walk away from after serving the minimal requirement? Why should he be punished more harshly because of who he killed? As much as I love John (he's my hero, for goodness' sake!), he was nobody special in the grand scheme of things. No one is. Everybody lives, everybody dies: it's just that some--like John--go more quickly than others. You do the math: Chapman's already been serving 12 years longer than most would have to. How many years will be enough to do John justice? What's done is done and no one can do a dead man justice...in my opinion, this has turned more into a subtle act of revenge. I'm sure that anyone who has ever lost a family member or best friend to murder believes that the person who killed his or her loved one should never be allowed to walk free, but--regardless of his or her wishes or pleas--it happens all the time. And would Chapman ever truly be "free" anyways? Think about it: everyone knows who he is and what he did. He would have to live in hiding for the rest of his life; does that sound free to you? Because it sounds like an amped-up Casey Anthony situation to me. No matter where he would be--a jail cell or a beach house in the middle of the tropics--he would always be living in a cage. It's just that one may be more luxurious than the other. So why not let him be caged elsewhere?

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19 August 2012
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A well-thought-out argument.

 

I supposed it's true that MDC is treated differently because of the person he killed, rather than the actual crime.  That being said, I think at this point there would be no possible way that he could even remotely integrate back into any part of society.

And I imagine that the second someone figured out who he was, he'd be quickly killed himself.

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19 August 2012
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Dipsy, everything you say is correct from a purely legal angle. But his crime is such that he couldn't ever integrate into society, and his safety will be compromised, I can guarantee it. Which leads me to say his request will be denied; I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

19 August 2012
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SatanHimself said
A well-thought-out argument.

Thanks, Satan. a-hard-days-night-john-6 Wow, I never thought I'd find myself saying that... a-hard-days-night-paul-4

I supposed it's true that MDC is treated differently because of the person he killed, rather than the actual crime.  That being said, I think at this point there would be no possible way that he could even remotely integrate back into any part of society.

And I imagine that the second someone figured out who he was, he'd be quickly killed himself.

I totally understand where you're coming from on this. I just think it's a shame that people wouldn't be able to realize that killing this murderer wouldn't solve anything, and it certainly wouldn't bring John back. Not to mention the fact that they would lose a sense of their morality by taking another man's life--even if that man's life couldn't seem more worthless.

P.S.: I haven't yet welcomed you to the forum, so...welcome! apple01

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19 August 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said
Dipsy, everything you say is correct from a purely legal angle. But his crime is such that he couldn't ever integrate into society, and his safety will be compromised, I can guarantee it. Which leads me to say his request will be denied; I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is.

I can understand him not being released due to safety/security purposes; I would only have a problem if he were to be held due to the reasons I mentioned earlier.

"I'm not going to change the way I look or the way I feel to conform to anything. I've always been a freak. So I've been a freak all my life and I have to live with that, you know? I'm just one of those people."
19 August 2012
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Dipsy said

SatanHimself said
A well-thought-out argument.

Thanks, Satan. a-hard-days-night-john-6 Wow, I never thought I'd find myself saying that... a-hard-days-night-paul-4

I supposed it's true that MDC is treated differently because of the person he killed, rather than the actual crime.  That being said, I think at this point there would be no possible way that he could even remotely integrate back into any part of society.

And I imagine that the second someone figured out who he was, he'd be quickly killed himself.

I totally understand where you're coming from on this. I just think it's a shame that people wouldn't be able to realize that killing this murderer wouldn't solve anything, and it certainly wouldn't bring John back. Not to mention the fact that they would lose a sense of their morality by taking another man's life--even if that man's life couldn't seem more worthless.

P.S.: I haven't yet welcomed you to the forum, so...welcome! apple01

Thank you for the warm welcome.

 

I will also put forth a potentially unpopular idea:  What would John have wanted us to feel for Chapman?  

I tend to think that John would have wanted us to forgive him and to help understand why he did what he did.  Yes, he did a terrible thing and robbed the world of a bit of its beauty, but Chapman is still a human being and perhaps after 30-odd years deserves a little bit of our compassion and understanding. 

 

Thoughts...?  

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19 August 2012
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8This theory is exactly what has impacted my opinions about Chapman's parole. I've thought about what you've described on multiple occasions, and I have come to the conclusion that John would want us to move on. When one focuses on the negativity of the past, he oftentimes blinds himself to the beauty of the present.

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You can't base any such decision on "what they would have wanted" - the only source for that opinion is the family - who are against his release. There can be grounds to overrule Yoko, Sean and Julian - that he served more time then he would have had he killed John doofusberg - but you can't use premonitions about what John would want to form your opinions on his release. I'm against it, for one simple reason - I don't think he's reformed. I don't think you can reform mental retardation.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

19 August 2012
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Good point, Sun King, but isn't every family of the murdered going to be against the release of their loved one's killer? Perhaps it was daft of me to make such a bold statement in my last post; but even a family can only wonder, you know?

But I see your point, and I realize how ridiculous it was of me to make such presumptions. It's easy to get carried away when you feel as if you know someone--which I obviously don't. I'll try not to come to such rash conclusions next time. And that's a genuine promise. a-hard-days-night-ringo-10

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If Chapman is just plain evil, then the status quo will suffice.  He certainly did himself no favours with his nutty interviews and writings during the 80s and early 90s.

 

I like to think that none of us is a truly lost cause.  I hold out hope that somewhere along the line that even Chapman will find some small way to be of worth.  I don't think he has a place outside of a prison or hospital, but I do sincerely hope that somewhere in there he can do some small bit of good in some way.

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19 August 2012
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Dipsy said
"I honestly don't understand why Mark David Chapman shouldn't be granted parole...."

 

Because he committed first degree murder, he ended someone's life for no reason - at least Chapman has never managed to give a coherent reason.  A great man had his life brutally cut short, so why should a total loser like Chapman get to live out the rest of his sorry life in freedom?  That's been the general rule across many civilizations: you take a life without justification, then you pay for your evil deed with your own life.  That seems entirely fair to me...

 

"... You don't often hear about a one-person murderer sitting in jail for over thirty years:"

 

Right, I would actually expect (and in some ways I still hope) that such a worthless killer as Chapman could be executed.  You never know, the death penalty could come back some day for 1st degree murder in NY State, and they could make it apply to Crapman retroactively if they felt like it (they can do anything these days - see Patriot Act).  It seems that Crapman wants to get out of prison and that this will make him happy.  For that reason alone, I would always oppose any freedom for Crapman (ever) because I don't want him to be happy.  And, Yoko Ono has testified that Crapman's release would cause her great distress and fear, and there is another very good reason for keeping Crapman in prison.

 

"As much as I love John (he's my hero, for goodness' sake!), he was nobody special in the grand scheme of things. No one is. "

 

With fans like you, who needs enemies?  John Lennon was indeed somebody very special in the grand scheme of things, and you are a blind fool not to see that.  When saying nobody is special, please speak only for yourself.

 

"Everybody lives, everybody dies: it's just that some--like John--go more quickly than others."

 

He went quickly only because Mark Crapman helped him on his way with 5 rounds of lethal hollow-point bullets - Crapman wanted to make sure and kill his target, in the same way we should make sure that he (Crapman) dies as a prisoner, never having been released.  Crapman decided that the world did not need John Lennon or his music, art and writing for the last several decades of his life.  He had absolutely no right to decide this, so he must pay the highest penalty that society can offer. 

 

The only possible reason for even considering any release of Crapman, is if he could convincingly name all those who might have put him up to this (if there was a conspiracy by the CIA, US military, etc to kill Lennon, as some suspect).  But I have not heard about any suggestion of such a full-blown confession actually happening - or if it's even possible.

 

19 August 2012
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Hello, LTJX, and welcome to the forum! apple01I'm afraid that, given the circumstance, this may not be the best welcome post; but I would really like to keep a more friendly discussion going on with you. You seem to have so much to contribute to The Beatles Bible! ahdn_george_08

LTJX said

Dipsy said
"I honestly don't understand why Mark David Chapman shouldn't be granted parole...."

Because he committed first degree murder, he ended someone's life for no reason - at least Chapman has never managed to give a coherent reason.  A great man had his life brutally cut short, so why should a total loser like Chapman get to live out the rest of his sorry life in freedom?  That's been the general rule across many civilizations: you take a life without justification, then you pay for your evil deed with your own life.  That seems entirely fair to me...

Doesn't anyone's life get ended for no reason in matters of forced death? Murder is a senseless act committed by senseless people, as you basically summed up by saying: "You take a life without justification...". The killing of another can never be justified, no matter how hard some may try. As I stated in my earlier post, Chapman would never be allowed to be a free man even if he were "free" by the standards of the law--which is being granted parole and leaving prison.

Dipsy said
And would Chapman ever truly be "free" anyways? Think about it: everyone knows who he is and what he did. He would have to live in hiding for the rest of his life; does that sound free to you? Because it sounds like an amped-up Casey Anthony situation to me. No matter where he would be--a jail cell or a beach house in the middle of the tropics--he would always be living in a cage. It's just that one may be more luxurious than the other.

LTJX said

Dipsy said

"... You don't often hear about a one-person murderer sitting in jail for over thirty years:"

Right, I would actually expect (and in some ways I still hope) that such a worthless killer as Chapman could be executed.  You never know, the death penalty could come back some day for 1st degree murder in NY State, and they could make it apply to Crapman retroactively if they felt like it (they can do anything these days - see Patriot Act).  It seems that Crapman wants to get out of prison and that this will make him happy.  For that reason alone, I would always oppose any freedom for Crapman (ever) because I don't want him to be happy.  And, Yoko Ono has testified that Crapman's release would cause her great distress and fear, and there is another very good reason for keeping Crapman in prison.

What would Chapman's own death solve? Absolutely nothing. As Gandhi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Do you honestly think that Sean or Yoko or Julian or Cynthia--or anyone else for that matter--would experience some kind of relief or gratification from that? The only way anyone could ever feel gratified is by having John back: because he's all that matters to them. And although we can't bring back the dead, his memory will forever live on. Unfortunately, so will the memory of Chapman--who will always be remembered as the man who killed the beautiful artist who was John Lennon. I fully respect your views on not wanting Chapman to be released because you don't want him to be happy, but I don't see how he could ever be happy in society anyways...

LTJX said 

"As much as I love John (he's my hero, for goodness' sake!), he was nobody special in the grand scheme of things. No one is. "

With fans like you, who needs enemies?  John Lennon was indeed somebody very special in the grand scheme of things, and you are a blind fool not to see that.  When saying nobody is special, please speak only for yourself.

Let me first say that I find your attitude in this particular excerpt extraordinarily rude, and I am quite hurt: not by the things you said, but rather by the way in which you went about saying them. I thought I posted my original opinion in a manner that would be respectable towards every poster in the forum (no matter their stance on this touchy issue), so is it too much to ask that I can receive the same respect? I know John was a special person (I mean, how could he have ever achieved what he did in his short time with us had he been anything but that?), but I believe you misinterpreted what I meant by making that particular statement. The line inserted directly afterwards was: "Everybody lives, everybody dies...". Therefore, I was making the point that he was not a kind of god that many of us--including myself--tend to make him out to be. As John said himself, "I'm not claiming divinity. I've never claimed purity of soul. I've never claimed to have the answers to life." And considering it was my post and my opinion, I'm pretty sure I was speaking only for myself. Also, I don't quite understand what you meant by saying "With fans like you, who needs enemies?". I find that comment unnecessarily demeaning considering it has nothing to do with anything I said in my original post...

LTJX said 

"Everybody lives, everybody dies: it's just that some--like John--go more quickly than others."

He went quickly only because Mark Crapman helped him on his way with 5 rounds of lethal hollow-point bullets - Crapman wanted to make sure and kill his target, in the same way we should make sure that he (Crapman) dies as a prisoner, never having been released.  Crapman decided that the world did not need John Lennon or his music, art and writing for the last several decades of his life.  He had absolutely no right to decide this, so he must pay the highest penalty that society can offer. 

The only possible reason for even considering any release of Crapman, is if he could convincingly name all those who might have put him up to this (if there was a conspiracy by the CIA, US military, etc to kill Lennon, as some suspect).  But I have not heard about any suggestion of such a full-blown confession actually happening - or if it's even possible.

Yes, I realize that Chapman was the reason John's time on earth was cut so short; and you're 100% correct that MDC had no right to take it willingly away from him. Actually, I think this is the only thing we've been able to agree on so far...lol.

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19 August 2012
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Honestly, not that I like the guy or am clamoring for his release, I think that after 30 years he's paid his debt to society. There are many, many murderers who serve less time than this guy has; and also many, many currently incarcerated serial murderers and rapists whom I would sooner petition not to be paroled. And also many as-yet UN-encarcerated bastards more deserving of Chapman's cell than himself. Just because he killed someone we all loved doesn't make him more evil than all other murderers; in fact based on sheer numerics, it makes him LESS evil than your average multiple murderer. I really don't think there's much chance he'll kill again. ESPECIALLY if "someone put him up to this" (an absolutely ludicrous conspiracy IMO.)

Also, I agree with Dipsy: "With fans like you, who needs enemies?" certainly was a pretty unnecessary and silly remark, LTJX. (But all the same, welcome to the forum!)

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LTJX said

It seems that Chapman wants to get out of prison and that this will make him happy.  For that reason alone, I would always oppose any freedom for Chapman (ever) because I don't want him to be happy.  And, Yoko Ono has testified that Crapman's release would cause her great distress and fear, and there is another very good reason for keeping Chapman in prison.

Why do you care if Chapman's happy or not? Does it affect your life in such a great way that you wouldn't be able to stand that? What Yoko said is not good reason to keep him locked up. That's natural that she would feel that way, but he got who he wanted to get, so she has nothing to worry about.

He went quickly only because Mark Crapman helped him on his way with 5 rounds of lethal hollow-point bullets - Chapman wanted to make sure and kill his target, in the same way we should make sure that he dies as a prisoner, never having been released.  Chapman decided that the world did not need John Lennon or his music, art and writing for the last several decades of his life.  He had absolutely no right to decide this, so he must pay the highest penalty that society can offer.

Why should we be the ones to decide whether or not he gets released, his death didn't have any effect on me (and probably not you either). I honestly don't care either way, so I don't get why other people would. Did you know John personally, because if the answer is yes then that's a lot different. Also, there's much more to John than his art. Who cares about the music we missed out on? Chapman killed a father and husband, the musician that died doesn't matter nearly as much.

 

I really doubt Mark ever will be released, and I think that's a little sad. Marky killed (didn't even torture him first or anything!) one person over thirty years ago when he was just twenty-five years old. That's still relatively young, and it's sad how just being in the wrong mindset could ruin the rest of your life like that. The act of Chapman killing an innocent person without justification is terrible, but that doesn't make Mark any less of a person than myself. He did it out of insanity, and having him isolated from the world would only make that worse, I would imagine.

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19 August 2012
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One of my biggest issues with the release of Chapman is that he would inevitably profit from Johns death. I mentioned it before but the media will do anything and pay handsomely for 'the exclusive', for his side of the story. Is that Chapmans fault, no, but it is one of the reasons for why he killed John, one of the motives, he wanted to be famous by killing someone, it just ended up a Beatle (there were other reasons why John was the target but one of the main underlying motives was to be famous). No human being should ever be able to profit from killing another - but i am aware that that happens often. Even if they included a 'silence' clause in the US he will stay be able to go to another country and make a fortune.

Is that enough to be held in prison for all his life? I dont know. However the sentence i believe was for a minimum of 20 years to life and any release was discrectionary. If the parole board do not believe it is right for his release then they cannot and that will involve many factors - Yoko's wishes will be one of them.

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I honestly wish freedom for Chapma, but I realize it's impossible when his own safety is taken into consideration. John Lennon has been the ultimate hero for so many people that undoubtedly some zealous fan would try to strike him dead the second he stepped out of the prison. He would need a bodyguard all the time with him, and who is going to pay for it? I assume he's broke by now, and unless he gets massive tips from the media there is no way he will be able to afford it.

However, he has made it clear he wants that kind of freedom. Should we grant him that, even if it means his death? Perhaps we should, although it makes me very sad, granted that he isn't any more dangerous to the society than the average peer. I don't know about his mental state, but it could be that a sanitarium might the place for him. Prisons are no fun places. 

It's not that I necessarily like him, but should people's lives really be controlled by how we feel about them? I agree with many of the posters; John Lennon was a human being, a precious one to so many people, but when it comes down to it, his life was just as worthy as any other's, no more, no less. 

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