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Double Fantasy - Fitting Farewell?
8 May 2011
mr. Sun king coming together
Nowhere Land
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As you all know, John came back to the Biz with Double Fantasy, shared with Yoko. But after less then two months, he's killed. So, is Double Fantasy a Fitting Farewell? I say it was. It showed the world all aspects of his personality, including his love of Yoko (who decided to share the album with her? Obvious she felt she could only get listened to with John.) But, I'm more likely to turn to Milk And Honey's John songs, to be honest. (Kiss Kiss Kiss is the worst song ever. But, he still had so much to do. So, fitting farewell or are you thinking it wasn't a farewell, and certainly not fitting?

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
8 May 2011
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I think it is. but I'll have to listen it again while I'm not working to give you a more complete opinion.

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8 May 2011
Miles above you
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I think Double Fantasy sounds more like a beginning than an ending, and I am sad that we couldn't hear more of John's evolution as a songwriter and human being. He seemed to be getting his mojo back during this time. I admit to liking a lot of the songs off Milk and Honey better than some of the Double Fantasy songs. I'm pretty sure I have never listened all the way through a single Yoko song. Just because this album holds some of her more tolerable vocals doesn't mean they are good. Similarly, I get choked up listening to Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy), so sometimes I have to skip that one. I love Watching the Wheels and the stripped down version of I'm Losing You. In fact, I've listened to the stripped down version more than the original. I love feeling like John is talking to ME, not into a machine and then to me. I know some people think it is blasphemous to change the original, but I don't really care. Variety is the spice of life.



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8 May 2011
mr. Sun king coming together
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Well, I had to listen to Yoko. NOT A GOOD IDEA. (I just got the vinyl yesterday). But DFSD is enjoyable, but not the true version. It's John's Let It Be Naked.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
8 May 2011
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I think it's fitting for who John was as a person. I've never really thought about this too much, but think about how hard John worked to get Yoko some respect. She always had at least a b side and I think it's been mentioned somewhere that he put more time into her stuff than his own. I don't think John gets enough credit for doing that...think of any other musician that's done something like that, much less someone of John's calibur. Paul put a lot of time in with Linda, but it's still not the same.
So giving Yoko half of the album, like her stuff or not, I think is the best example of showing John's true spirit and how big of a heart he had.
But from a song perspective certainly he would have gotten better, but I absolutely love his demos from around that time, so the finished products don't really matter that much to me.

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Not for me. It was Johns comeback after retirement, presenting to the world a new more relaxed John who was content with his past, happy with the present, and looking forward to the future.

To me it was a first step, a toe in the water.


DFSB shows how great a singer John was but its not a better album. Agree with it being Johns Let It Be Naked.


And i avoid Yoko's so-called singing. Have tried to listen to her but cant get far without reaching for the self destruct button.

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10 May 2011
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I like some of her songs on this album. Kiss Kiss Kiss - if she wants you to feel uncomfortable, well mission accomplished Yoko. But I'm happy to listen to Moving On and Darling Boys.

Mostly, I see it as a good start, but just leads to more frustration as to what could have been.

Count me as a fan who prefers the stripped down version.

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10 May 2011
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I remember buying it the day it came out (I'd already heard 'Starting Over' as the single on the radio) and to my horror I was a tad disappointed with DF.  John was (still is) my ultimate hero and I was so excited that he was back, but it didn't hit me with that WOW factor, but............I very rarely get a new album from anyone I like and instantly love it, so it wasn't that bad.  The more I played it the more I loved it, but then of course, it took on a different meaning not long after which completely clouded any judgement. 


Today I still love it and I really like the Stripped version too.......and having read the book "Starting Over: The Making of John Lennon and Yoko Ono's Double Fantasy" I've got to appreciate it even more. That was a terrific read.

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10 May 2011
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That is a brilliant book, one of the best Lennon books out there IMO.

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11 May 2011
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13 April 2011

Interesting point, but I don't really think it was a "fitting farewell" since he was his .. their .. comeback album - a new beginning as epitomised by Just Like Starting Over (ironically the last track to be made for the album, I believe).

John and Yoko work well on the whole album together too. I love the way I'm Losing You and I'm Moving On go together.

Kiss Kiss Kiss is pretty bizarre but it's Yoko at her most accessible at that time and fitted in well with the new wave dance stuff that was coming up in the US (Blondie, B-52s et al).

Hard Times Are Over ... ?? How ironic an album closer was that???

I don't get such a kick out of SD version, in fact tracks like Starting Over suffer a little IMHO, and don't add much to the Yoko tracks. That said, I love the new version of Every Man Has a Woman... which is more a kind of total remix. There voices mix together so well and it's just so ...... sexy if you know what I mean!


Must get that book...

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