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Did Yoko love John?
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GoodDayTaxman said
Not sure if Yoko loved John, but John ALWAYS loved Yoko. Check out his song "I Know (I Know)" on
Mind Games (which was released JUST after the long weekend in 1973.) To me, it sounds like he wrote the song as an apology to Yoko.

 

Mind Games is full of "apology" songs to Yoko. "I Know," "Out the Blue," "Aisumasen"... it's like John wanted to call it off with Yoko , but couldn't quite bring himself to do it, hence all the apologetic songs.

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GoodDayTaxman said
Not sure if Yoko loved John, but John ALWAYS loved Yoko. Check out his song "I Know (I Know)" on
Mind Games (which was released JUST after the long weekend in 1973.) To me, it sounds like he wrote the song as an apology to Yoko.

Also on that album "One Day (At a Time)" and "You Are Here".

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I will try again, following the 2 responses to GoodDayTaxman's comment that ignore my correction of their statement, and instead build upon a flawed comment. Mind Games WAS NOT released "JUST after the long weekend in 1973". It was released in 1973, but by the "long weekend" I take it that the "lost weekend" was meant, which took place in 1974-75. None of John's apology songs on Mind Games say anything about John's state of mind after the "lost weekend" because they were all written and released BEFORE it had happened. I make this point so people do not get confused about the chronology of events.

John liked to write apologetic songs to Yoko, they run through from Jealous Guy to (Forgive Me) My Little Flower Princess.

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I've been doing some more thinking about this topic this morning.  In You Never Give Me Your Money, it is pointed out that after John's death the "truth" came out (presumably from Yoko) that Yoko had kicked John out during the lost weekend, whereas it had been accepted prior to this that the separation was John's doing.  This is not surprising, given his behavior when he cheated on Yoko, the night McGovern lost the presidential election.  He was drunk, saying he wanted to go shoot a cop, calling Rubin and Hoffman pigs and "middle class Jews," then taking a woman (Rubin or Hoffman's roommate, don't remember which)  into the next room to ravage her (with her consent) within earshot of everyone.

What I think is that Yoko loved John but she felt deeply rejected by his infidelity.  Then, because John's ego couldn't handle the rejection he received in turn from Yoko, he had to have Yoko back at all costs, even though he knew the relationship was troubled from the start.  Then he was stuck with Yoko, Yoko became pregnant, and the two lived a kind of "separate but together" existence.  I tend to accept Yoko's version of the story, rather than believe that the affair with Pang was John's idea.

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Excellent thoughts, Expert Textpert. I do agree with much of what you are thinking. Yoko was deeply hurt by John's drunken "indiscretion" and she did withdraw her affection. I have some reservations about the "lost weekend" theory, though I see what you are saying. I remember seeing an interview or reading something in several sources that said Yoko said she "needed time and space, so she asked John to leave." She also said she knew full well John could not be alone. He had never been alone and he couldn't take care of himself, so she knew she had to hire someone to go with him and take care of him. She thought May Pang would be perfect as she just started working for the Lennons. Now, maybe Yoko never believed John and May would hook up. Another thought I have is if Yoko didn't arrange for the whole "lost weekend" thing and it was really John's idea, then why would John call and call and call Yoko pleading for her to let him come home? Yoko kept refusing, but she did want to keep tabs on him. She was depending on May to report back to her (which she did). But, Yoko wasn't ready to have John back in New York. During the early part of the "lost weekend", Yoko went to Chicago for a few months to record a record she'd been working on. She allegedly had an affair with one of the musicians from the studio (though I don't know if that is indeed true). My gut tells me Yoko orchestrated the "lost weekend" to separate herself from John because she'd had enough of his recent behaviors. John didn't really want to go, but he made the best of it. May Pang's book seems to support this theory, too. (May also didn't want to go at first).

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