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Did Yoko love John?
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GoodDayTaxman said
Not sure if Yoko loved John, but John ALWAYS loved Yoko. Check out his song "I Know (I Know)" on Mind Games (which was released JUST after the long weekend in 1973.) To me, it sounds like he wrote the song as an apology to Yoko.

 

Mind Games is full of "apology" songs to Yoko. "I Know," "Out the Blue," "Aisumasen"… it's like John wanted to call it off with Yoko , but couldn't quite bring himself to do it, hence all the apologetic songs.

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GoodDayTaxman said
Not sure if Yoko loved John, but John ALWAYS loved Yoko. Check out his song "I Know (I Know)" on Mind Games (which was released JUST after the long weekend in 1973.) To me, it sounds like he wrote the song as an apology to Yoko.

Also on that album "One Day (At a Time)" and "You Are Here".

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I will try again, following the 2 responses to GoodDayTaxman's comment that ignore my correction of their statement, and instead build upon a flawed comment. Mind Games WAS NOT released "JUST after the long weekend in 1973". It was released in 1973, but by the "long weekend" I take it that the "lost weekend" was meant, which took place in 1974-75. None of John's apology songs on Mind Games say anything about John's state of mind after the "lost weekend" because they were all written and released BEFORE it had happened. I make this point so people do not get confused about the chronology of events.

John liked to write apologetic songs to Yoko, they run through from Jealous Guy to (Forgive Me) My Little Flower Princess.

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Yoko just shared this on Facebook:  "John used to say 'I love you' every day.  I didn't understand then, how lucky I was."

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What is that supposed to mean? Just because she didn't realize how lucky she was, it doesn't mean she didn't love him.  

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I don't know what I means.  I just thought it was interesting, and it relates to this topic.

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Oh, I thought you were using that to insinuate she didn't love him. I guess I probably shouldn't just jump to conclusions like that. 

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I find that interesting that Yoko would say today (on Facebook) that John told her he loved her every day and she didn't appreciate it at the time. I think it means just that…at that time in her life, she was fairly self-absorbed and she didn't appreciate what she had with John. All of us are guilty of that…you don't know what you've got till it's gone. Nice she said it, though. Brings me to a question…when (and if..just kidding) Yoko passes, who do you think will do her biography? Philip Norman? Sean? Julian? Kyoto? Just wonderin'….There's no way she'd permit a biography (an unauthorized biography) to be published if she is still alive.

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I kind of doubt any of the kids will write a biography on her. There's no reason for them to, and if any of them do it would be very biased since that's their mom, and anything Julian would have to say about Yoko is probably what's already in Cynthia's book. 

And isn't it Kyoko? I've seen people spell it with a t a few times now on the forum. 

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Yes, it's Kyoko.

Don't understand the point of Yoko's Facebook post…maybe she's got the concept of "luck" on her mind because it's Friday the 13th?

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vonbontee said
Yes, it's Kyoko.

Don't understand the point of Yoko's Facebook post…maybe she's got the concept of "luck" on her mind because it's Friday the 13th?

 

Something to plug?

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vonbontee said
Yes, it's Kyoko.

Don't understand the point of Yoko's Facebook post…maybe she's got the concept of "luck" on her mind because it's Friday the 13th?

 

Something to plug?

yeah, those Friday the 13th movies 

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It's getting close to John and Sean's birthday..she's probably just reflecting.

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unknown said
I kind of doubt any of the kids will write a biography on her. There's no reason for them to, and if any of them do it would be very biased since that's their mom, and anything Julian would have to say about Yoko is probably what's already in Cynthia's book. 

And isn't it Kyoko? I've seen people spell it with a t a few times now on the forum. 

Off-topic but I can't be the only one who hates when people spell Pattie Boyd's name "Patti"- it irritates me

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mccartneyalarm said
Brings me to a question…when (and if..just kidding) Yoko passes, who do you think will do her biography? Philip Norman? Sean? Julian? Kyoto? Just wonderin'….There's no way she'd permit a biography (an unauthorized biography) to be published if she is still alive.

There's already a few biographies around. I have two. Jerry Hopkins imaginatively titled Yoko Ono from 1987. Not a bad read. Tries to treat her more evenly than most Lennon/Beatles books, though she still doesn't emerge as that likeable. Also Adam Clayson's Woman: The Incredible Life of Yoko Ono from 2004. Didn't like that at all. Didn't bother finishing it.

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Damn, I wish I knew of a bio I could enjoy. The latter sounds waaaay too much like a puff piece (the title does, anyways); and I hated both Jerry Hopkins books I've read – I think he's a lousy writer, really. Also I'd want to read something much more recent than '87.

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Yoko Ono: Collector of Skies by Nell Beram and Carolyn Boriss-Krimsky, published earlier this year, got pretty good reviews and is on my "When I get around to it" list.

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I've been doing some more thinking about this topic this morning.  In You Never Give Me Your Money, it is pointed out that after John's death the "truth" came out (presumably from Yoko) that Yoko had kicked John out during the lost weekend, whereas it had been accepted prior to this that the separation was John's doing.  This is not surprising, given his behavior when he cheated on Yoko, the night McGovern lost the presidential election.  He was drunk, saying he wanted to go shoot a cop, calling Rubin and Hoffman pigs and "middle class Jews," then taking a woman (Rubin or Hoffman's roommate, don't remember which)  into the next room to ravage her (with her consent) within earshot of everyone.

What I think is that Yoko loved John but she felt deeply rejected by his infidelity.  Then, because John's ego couldn't handle the rejection he received in turn from Yoko, he had to have Yoko back at all costs, even though he knew the relationship was troubled from the start.  Then he was stuck with Yoko, Yoko became pregnant, and the two lived a kind of "separate but together" existence.  I tend to accept Yoko's version of the story, rather than believe that the affair with Pang was John's idea.

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Excellent thoughts, Expert Textpert. I do agree with much of what you are thinking. Yoko was deeply hurt by John's drunken "indiscretion" and she did withdraw her affection. I have some reservations about the "lost weekend" theory, though I see what you are saying. I remember seeing an interview or reading something in several sources that said Yoko said she "needed time and space, so she asked John to leave." She also said she knew full well John could not be alone. He had never been alone and he couldn't take care of himself, so she knew she had to hire someone to go with him and take care of him. She thought May Pang would be perfect as she just started working for the Lennons. Now, maybe Yoko never believed John and May would hook up. Another thought I have is if Yoko didn't arrange for the whole "lost weekend" thing and it was really John's idea, then why would John call and call and call Yoko pleading for her to let him come home? Yoko kept refusing, but she did want to keep tabs on him. She was depending on May to report back to her (which she did). But, Yoko wasn't ready to have John back in New York. During the early part of the "lost weekend", Yoko went to Chicago for a few months to record a record she'd been working on. She allegedly had an affair with one of the musicians from the studio (though I don't know if that is indeed true). My gut tells me Yoko orchestrated the "lost weekend" to separate herself from John because she'd had enough of his recent behaviors. John didn't really want to go, but he made the best of it. May Pang's book seems to support this theory, too. (May also didn't want to go at first).

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Yet I've read from other sources that Yoko was the one constantly calling John and May, and that he was fed up with receiving the calls.  I'm not sure which side of that story is true.

"This Beatles talk bores me to death." --John Lennon

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