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Did Yoko love John?
22 August 2014
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I have read the whole thread. Frankly I have nothing to contribute to it; all this information is new to me, and there are many contradictory opinions. But I found it deeply disturbing, and depressing.

But I do have something to say. Yoko will just be remembered for a while –and just as John’s second wife. Then she’ll be forgotten. She’s nobody, nothing. John will be remembered for at least decades, and for being who he was.

"For in my nature I quested for beauty, but God, God hath sent me to sea for pearls." (from Jubilate Agno by Christopher Smart)

22 August 2014
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I'm not so sure about that. Yoko was established as an artist before she met John and had worked with the Fluxus group which is stilled studied by art students. She also worked with famous people like John Cage before she met John. John did not make her famous. Cynthia, on the other hand, was not famous for anything except being John's wife.

There are also many people, myself included, who still see John as "John and Yoko." The bed-ins for peace are iconic moments in history that will always be remembered.

Also, Yoko continues to make music and works with artists who are far more accepted by the cool kids of today than those Paul works with. For example: Yoko worked recently with Flaming Lips, members of Sonic Youth, and Yo La Tengo. Paul? Kanye West.

"This Beatles talk bores me to death." --John Lennon

22 August 2014
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ahdn_paul_06 I think that is how they are as people. With Paul working with more popular acts while Yoko is more underground

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Expert Textpert said
I'm not so sure about that. Yoko was established as an artist before she met John and had worked with the Fluxus group which is stilled studied by art students. She also worked with famous people like John Cage before she met John. John did not make her famous. Cynthia, on the other hand, was not famous for anything except being John's wife.

There are also many people, myself included, who still see John as "John and Yoko." The bed-ins for peace are iconic moments in history that will always be remembered.

Also, Yoko continues to make music and works with artists who are far more accepted by the cool kids of today than those Paul works with. For example: Yoko worked recently with Flaming Lips, members of Sonic Youth, and Yo La Tengo. Paul? Kanye West.

See? My opinion and yours differ; as I said, contradictory views on the same subject. You have valid arguments, which I still find unconvincing, while you don’t share my viewpoint. I cannot think of “John and Yoko”, I still feel she was an appendix to John –as many others in this forum feel. This could very well be a never-ending thread. But that’s OK, we are entitled to our own perceptions. I still find everything that has been discussed here rather depressing. Cheers, Oudis.

"For in my nature I quested for beauty, but God, God hath sent me to sea for pearls." (from Jubilate Agno by Christopher Smart)

23 August 2014
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Most marriages will end up being based on fear and compromise.

 

'Equality' in a marriage is a recipe for conflict………Usually it resolves into someone being the boss and the other partner mostly goes along with what the 'boss' wants

…….Or a shared 'bossship' develops. I'm guessing John was, 'allowed' to be nominal leader when it came to making music and taking care of Sean. Yoko everything else.

We all have our blind spots. True of men and women. I think all the evidence shows Yoko was slap bang in the middle of John's.

Outsiders can often see what's going on but know any inferred criticism is going to be slapped down. And maybe a friendship ended. It must have been frustrating for the other Beatles.

I reckon John loved Yoko and needed her.

I don't think Yoko loved John in the same way or with the same intensity. This made her stronger and him weaker.

 

But as I say……Love is blind and we got some good songs from it. Yoko kept everything else for herself. "Whatever gets you through the night" Yoko.

 

Footnote….. I recently found out that a bloke I often chat with over breakfast in a restaurant actually knew, "The man in the mac who said you gotta go back" They both worked together in British immigration and Yoko didn't have the correct visa for France…… But there was no stopping a determined John and Yoko……embarking on that long and winding road to The Dakota.  

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Expert Textpert said
I'm not so sure about that. Yoko was established as an artist before she met John and had worked with the Fluxus group which is stilled studied by art students. She also worked with famous people like John Cage before she met John. John did not make her famous. Cynthia, on the other hand, was not famous for anything except being John's wife.

There are also many people, myself included, who still see John as "John and Yoko." The bed-ins for peace are iconic moments in history that will always be remembered.

Also, Yoko continues to make music and works with artists who are far more accepted by the cool kids of today than those Paul works with. For example: Yoko worked recently with Flaming Lips, members of Sonic Youth, and Yo La Tengo. Paul? Kanye West.

While Yoko knew Cage and had "made art", it's a long way from that to claim that she's created any art that will last. To say "she continues to make music, etc.", you're merely acknowledging that she's the wife of John Lennon and a lot of people want to be close to that, but again, nothing she has done is of any quality, nothing of even historical interest.

While it's probably true that she did not singlehandedly break up the Beatles, it is undeniably true that she stifled the creativity of the greatest creative genius of the 20th century, one of the greatest of all time. The fact that Yoko goes out of her way to emphasize how unimpressed she was/is with the Beatles, the fact that she really seems to see her contributions to art as on a par with her husbands, is a sign of how pathetically narcissistic she really is. It's not her fault, either. It's just her brain chemistry. It's one of the great tragedies of art that Lennon, who needed so badly, stumbled into her and not somebody who could really help center and support him.

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SirHuddlestonFuddleston said

While Yoko knew Cage and had "made art", it's a long way from that to claim that she's created any art that will last. To say "she continues to make music, etc.", you're merely acknowledging that she's the wife of John Lennon and a lot of people want to be close to that, but again, nothing she has done is of any quality, nothing of even historical interest.

While it's probably true that she did not singlehandedly break up the Beatles, it is undeniably true that she stifled the creativity of the greatest creative genius of the 20th century, one of the greatest of all time.

              I don't think either of those things are undeniably true - Yoko inspired many of John's great songs, hardly stifling him. And there are a few of us who think she's created some art (music!) that's quite striking. But hey, opinions.

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They say opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one. And "everybody's got one" is a Lennon lyric, too. So, "stick it up your jumper."

And while we're on the subject of assholes, here's a quote from Elvis Presley: "If I had the wings of an angel and the balls of a big hairy coon, I'd fly to the highest mountain and cornhole the man in the moon."

"This Beatles talk bores me to death." --John Lennon

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