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Did warring aliens cause John's death?
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Hmm, no, I don't think that she was looking for fame or notice in the way John did, doing what she did, seeking the things she sought.  What she always did in private (on her own, not in protests or projects with John, and not with her art) was done pretty quietly, I'd say, not out there for the public to know.  But of course we found out things in the papers all the time because they were in the public eye.  

She already had money and power with John and she was guaranteed it without him, too.  No, either way she's not particularly gaining.  The "fame" after John's death isn't the usual kind of notice people want.  Why fix on him initially?  Why not - he was a troubled Beatle who was "out there".  She could've chosen Bowie at the end of the 60s but she didn't.  I don't see her as ever being in competition with John as far as fame and careers go; she definitely seems to have put her art mostly aside; I didn't know her for her art at any point.  She seemed very much into mental experimentation as far as her art goes (something I didn't notice when I was younger) and maybe she wanted to try John, take him over.  And she kind of did, right?  Told him how to deal or not deal with The Beatles, told him to eat one way then another, tried to steer him in certain religious directions, etc etc.  Like she used him as her magnum opus of her modern, conceptual artworks.  Her own personal masterpiece.  Create, manipulate, and destroy.  Her art was basically abstract, right?  You have to think abstractly about it.  People get obsessed.  People do amazingly crazy stuff.  

Oops, no, I'm not one of those.  But when you go to school for art history, you are introduced to modern art and all the ridiculousness and insanity that it is.

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@Ron Nasty Ron Nasty said, "Ooo! I'm no expert but… we do have one. @Into the Sky with Diamonds any thoughts?"

The concept of extra-terrestrial life is endlessly fascinating. Why not? It's not likely that we're the only ones out there.

But in fact, it wasn't Lennon who had the extra-terrestrial connection; it was Mal Evans - at least in Into the Sky with Diamondsmal-evans

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@Ron Nasty   @Billy Rhythm  @WETSRoosa 

Billy Rhythm said, "Ironic that the supposed 1969 Lunar Landing was brought up, one of the best examples ever of how the population was fooled by TV.  If you wanna see where that footage was actually filmed then just watch the classic James Bond movie 'Diamonds Are Forever' and you'll see the actual film set that was used, the truth is hidden in plain site and very "straightforward"…"

Both the Chapman and the moon landing conspiracies are a bit off base - though always entertaining!

I have a letter written by Chapman to a friend of mine who passed it on to me. Chapman has found God while in prison and got in touch with my friend who is very religious. In the letter, Chapman goes through his frame of mind at the time of the shooting. I read it once, and quickly put it away (still makes me sick)- but if anyone's interested I can dig it up.

As for the moon landing, 400,000 people took part in the program in one form of the other. 25 astronauts went to the moon (including Stu Roosa, a relative of our own WETSRoosa) and including 12 who walked on the moon. A dozen or so more participated in the Mercury and Gemini program leading up to the moon landings.

It's been 45 years since the first Moon landing. Do we really think all these people kept a secret for 45 years? And what about the astronauts who died? Fake deaths? And would the Soviets have let Americans get away it? They were desperately trying to win the space race too. All the major players have written their memoirs, so to anyone who doubts the moon landings, I say read their stories! Or save yourself time and read Into the Sky with Diamonds!

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Into the Sky with Diamonds said 

Billy Rhythm said, "Ironic that the supposed 1969 Lunar Landing was brought up, one of the best examples ever of how the population was fooled by TV.  If you wanna see where that footage was actually filmed then just watch the classic James Bond movie 'Diamonds Are Forever' and you'll see the actual film set that was used, the truth is hidden in plain site and very "straightforward"…"
 
 
As for the moon landing, 400,000 people took part in the program in one form of the other. 25 astronauts went to the moon (including Stu Roosa, a relative of our own WETSRoosa) and including 12 who walked on the moon. A dozen or so more participated in the Mercury and Gemini program leading up to the moon landings.

It's been 45 years since the first Moon landing. Do we really think all these people kept a secret for 45 years? And what about the astronauts who died? Fake deaths? And would the Soviets have let Americans get away it? They were desperately trying to win the space race too. All the major players have written their memoirs, so to anyone who doubts the moon landings, I say read their stories! Or save yourself time and read Into the Sky with Diamonds!

Out of the "400,000 people took part in the program in one form of the other", how many of them had security clearances to actually verify that what they were doing was anything other than facilitating a broadcast directed by a small handful of individuals cleverly orchestrating a "live" TV Show?  Amazingly, NASA claims to have destroyed/recycled the original footage of the Apollo Missions?!  So all we have to verify this claim to fame is a second generation copy of the final broadcast, or a bunch of rocks that supposedly came from the Moon which the majority of have also been claimed by NASA to have been misplaced?!  How convenient, rocks that can't be analysed and second/third generation film footage that not only wouldn't stand up in a Court of Law, but would likely fail any tests performed by modern-day technology.

 

The "25 astronauts went to the moon" ALL signed extensive Non-Disclosure Agreements (ANYBODY who works at NASA does) that would scare ANY human into keeping their mouth shut forever on mission details.  ALL of these supposed MoonWalkers rarely do interviews, and when they do their answers to certain questions are very dubious for having supposedly been the first of our race to have had this experience in life.  Nighttime Radio Host Art Bell asked Dr. Edgar Mitchell (Apollo 14) in the 1990's to describe to the audience what it was like when he first stepped on The Moon and after a lengthy pause he simply replied, "I don't remember", are you fucking kidding me?!  You "don't remember" what it was like to step on The Moon for the very first time?!!!  Of course, it's perfectly understandable why he doesn't remember anything, because it NEVER HAPPENED!

 

As for the Soviet response, or non-response?  First of all, who'd listen to them?  The widely-believed Lunar Landings were orchestrated for the sole purpose of ending The Cold War, any criticism by the Soviets would've been perceived as Sour Grapes by the Western World.  How would've the American public received any Soviet response anyway?  Could you purchase The Moscow Times at your local American Newsstand back in 1969?  or browse the Internet for translated Russian diatribes?  If today's highly sanitized media won't broadcast evidence of the obviously faked missions on CNN, why would CBS have entertained Russian opinion on the matter during the height of The Cold War?

 

So, what we have here is inadmissible film and pictures, and testimony by those said to have been involved but not remembering any details, not to mention the scientific problems involved in actually making this feat happen.  Yes, the power of TV indeed, thankfully it doesn't work on everyone.  You all probably believe that The Great Pyramid was built by countless Egyptian slaves hauling stones over ropes to achieve the mathematical precision of this magnificent structure too?  Another feat, like the Lunar Landings, that STILL can't be duplicated with today's technology.

 

The Americans had good reason to fear that The Soviets were getting a leg up on them in The Space Race, their technology was far superior to NASA's.  The technology that the Soviets were using during the 1960's is STILL being used today and improved upon while NASA continues to reinvent itself and its rockets.  Too bad that they discontinued (or did they?) the Saturn V rockets of the 1970's because that technology would still rival anything else in rocketry today.  Meanwhile, the Russians have kickstarted China's (and India's for that matter) manned Space Programs with decades worth of engineering while NASA continues to flounder.  The Russians flew hundreds of missions to Space by the time NASA premiered its Hollywood (Barstow, to be more precise) Production in 1969, they were doing missions almost WEEKLY without the unnecessary media coverage.  They primarily used a small ship called Kosmos which would sit ontop of a large powerful rocket and could be flown either manned or unmanned by remote, it's much more efficient, versatile and reliable than the all ready retired Space Shuttles that wouldn't appear for over a decade later.

 

Yeah, any high level Soviet Scientist/Engineer would likely chuckle at the NASA footage and won't even give it the time of day for they know better.  To give this farce any serious consideration would be to discredit themselves as a Scientist/Engineer, or all of Russian Science for that matter.  I don't think that they watch all that much TV either, the sound of their BS Detectors going off constantly in their ears would be deafening...:-)

 

    

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Billy Rhythm said

Into the Sky with Diamonds said 

Billy Rhythm said, "Ironic that the supposed 1969 Lunar Landing was brought up, one of the best examples ever of how the population was fooled by TV.  If you wanna see where that footage was actually filmed then just watch the classic James Bond movie 'Diamonds Are Forever' and you'll see the actual film set that was used, the truth is hidden in plain site and very "straightforward"…"
 
 
As for the moon landing, 400,000 people took part in the program in one form of the other. 25 astronauts went to the moon (including Stu Roosa, a relative of our own WETSRoosa) and including 12 who walked on the moon. A dozen or so more participated in the Mercury and Gemini program leading up to the moon landings.

It's been 45 years since the first Moon landing. Do we really think all these people kept a secret for 45 years? And what about the astronauts who died? Fake deaths? And would the Soviets have let Americans get away it? They were desperately trying to win the space race too. All the major players have written their memoirs, so to anyone who doubts the moon landings, I say read their stories! Or save yourself time and read Into the Sky with Diamonds!

Out of the "400,000 people took part in the program in one form of the other", how many of them had security clearances to actually verify that what they were doing was anything other than facilitating a broadcast directed by a small handful of individuals cleverly orchestrating a "live" TV Show?  Amazingly, NASA claims to have destroyed/recycled the original footage of the Apollo Missions?!  So all we have to verify this claim to fame is a second generation copy of the final broadcast, or a bunch of rocks that supposedly came from the Moon which the majority of have also been claimed by NASA to have been misplaced?!  How convenient, rocks that can't be analysed and second/third generation film footage that not only wouldn't stand up in a Court of Law, but would likely fail any tests performed by modern-day technology.

 

The "25 astronauts went to the moon" ALL signed extensive Non-Disclosure Agreements (ANYBODY who works at NASA does) that would scare ANY human into keeping their mouth shut forever on mission details.  ALL of these supposed MoonWalkers rarely do interviews, and when they do their answers to certain questions are very dubious for having supposedly been the first of our race to have had this experience in life.  Nighttime Radio Host Art Bell asked Dr. Edgar Mitchell (Apollo 14) in the 1990's to describe to the audience what it was like when he first stepped on The Moon and after a lengthy pause he simply replied, "I don't remember", are you fucking kidding me?!  You "don't remember" what it was like to step on The Moon for the very first time?!!!  Of course, it's perfectly understandable why he doesn't remember anything, because it NEVER HAPPENED!

 

As for the Soviet response, or non-response?  First of all, who'd listen to them?  The widely-believed Lunar Landings were orchestrated for the sole purpose of ending The Cold War, any criticism by the Soviets would've been perceived as Sour Grapes by the Western World.  How would've the American public received any Soviet response anyway?  Could you purchase The Moscow Times at your local American Newsstand back in 1969?  or browse the Internet for translated Russian diatribes?  If today's highly sanitized media won't broadcast evidence of the obviously faked missions on CNN, why would CBS have entertained Russian opinion on the matter during the height of The Cold War?

 

So, what we have here is inadmissible film and pictures, and testimony by those said to have been involved but not remembering any details, not to mention the scientific problems involved in actually making this feat happen.  Yes, the power of TV indeed, thankfully it doesn't work on everyone.  You all probably believe that The Great Pyramid was built by countless Egyptian slaves hauling stones over ropes to achieve the mathematical precision of this magnificent structure too?  Another feat, like the Lunar Landings, that STILL can't be duplicated with today's technology.

 

The Americans had good reason to fear that The Soviets were getting a leg up on them in The Space Race, their technology was far superior to NASA's.  The technology that the Soviets were using during the 1960's is STILL being used today and improved upon while NASA continues to reinvent itself and its rockets.  Too bad that they discontinued (or did they?) the Saturn V rockets of the 1970's because that technology would still rival anything else in rocketry today.  Meanwhile, the Russians have kickstarted China's (and India's for that matter) manned Space Programs with decades worth of engineering while NASA continues to flounder.  The Russians flew hundreds of missions to Space by the time NASA premiered its Hollywood (Barstow, to be more precise) Production in 1969, they were doing missions almost WEEKLY without the unnecessary media coverage.  They primarily used a small ship called Kosmos which would sit ontop of a large powerful rocket and could be flown either manned or unmanned by remote, it's much more efficient, versatile and reliable than the all ready retired Space Shuttles that wouldn't appear for over a decade later.

 

Yeah, any high level Soviet Scientist/Engineer would likely chuckle at the NASA footage and won't even give it the time of day for they know better.  To give this farce any serious consideration would be to discredit themselves as a Scientist/Engineer, or all of Russian Science for that matter.  I don't think that they watch all that much TV either, the sound of their BS Detectors going off constantly in their ears would be deafening...:-)

 

    

What about the astronauts that died to try get to the moon and space. Was that a hoax also. Also I know astronauts got in trouble for bringing objects with them like stamps then selling them for a ton of money because they had been in space.I just think there were to many lives lost trying to get there to simply hoax it. We were already all in at that point. 

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