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Did John Lennon have gay leanings?
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6 October 2013
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This may already be here somewhere, I can't be bothered to go back and look, but it's a great bit from Howard Stern where he's talking about Lennon's sexuality with Paul.

There's also a great comment on the page from ffairlane 57 (credit given where credit's due): "John was a Yokosexual".

Made me laugh!

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Hannah said
Interesting thoughts Lennonista. What makes you believe that Paul had the hots for John though? Personally I don't think Paul thought of John in a sexual way at all although be clearly loved him. 

 fabfouremily said

I respect your opinion(s), Lennonista, but how can you be so certain of all what you've said? I don't think I can ever see myself being that sure of anything that we haven't got much evidence of - or at least evidence I trust.

 

First off, I like that this is a forum people can disagree respectfully. a-hard-days-night-ringo-10 Not always true other places.

To answer Emily, I'm not certain about what I said... it's just my opinion. Much like you have your opinion... you can't be certain what you say is true, either. We're all just playing a mind game, right?

To answer Hannah, it's just a feeling I get from the way Paul has spoken about John over the years. He really likes to stress how close they were. Plus, there's the famous "in bed" response he gave once when asked how he would spend the day with John if he could. I know he was joking, but Paul never puts a single word out to the public unintentionally. And then there's just the realities of youth and hormones and all that. Theirs was a pretty intense relationship, brotherly and competitive on the one hand, but sharing a deep artistic spirituality on the other, all of which made them very close. And when two people are close like that, especially during late adolescence, well there's bound to be some sexual tension. Not that they spent all their time fantasizing about each other, but I'll bet that if they didn't have their 1950s northern England working class hang-ups about homosexuality, then they may have been able to cross a line or two on some drunken night. But those are just my thoughts... You don't have to buy it, but I ask that you try it on for size before rejecting it completely.

As far as the Howard Stern interview... I love Paul, but he's famously not very revealing in interviews, nor is he the most comfortable with touchy subjects. I think he felt he was being very protective of John, so he developed this very pat answer about that question. (Which was all the rage in those days, post-Norman's bio.) Plus, I think it's possible that Paul turned a blind eye to or was blissfully unaware of John's (maybe) bisexual experiences... which is understandable, considering the time and their upbringings and all.

Again, I don't claim I'm right. These are just my opinions after a lifetime of Beatle study.

 

 

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So here's my 2 cents - and over priced at that.

It would not have been at unusual or unlikely that when John and Paul were young teenagers they may have experimented sexually with each other - or that they may have experimented with other male friends when younger but not each other.

This behavior amongst adolescents is quite common (for boys and girls - especially in the 50's and 60's). This had less to do with being gay or bisexual and more to do with growing awareness of sexuality and what young teens do as they explore - they explore with their friends never considering the gay/hetero implications - again that was more true in the 50's and 60's when such activities were less public.

After that, I personally believe that John had some sort of crush on Paul - sexual and romantic - and that Paul used it to control John in the emerging years of Help, Rubber Soul etc.

I believe that during Pepper MMT days, Paul overplayed this hand with John who then met Yoko - I think John shared with Yoko his feelings about Paul which is why Yoko began her fierce campaign of keeping John and Paul apart from each other (all through White Album etc to John's death). And she eventually turned John against Paul. Yoko's demeanor towards Paul always struck me as jealous more than anything else. John talked about Paul and Yoko in equal emotional terms.

I think in a strange ironic twist, once John's relationship with Yoko was cemented John began to be colder to Paul, this rejection hurt Paul in a deep way - all of which shows up during Let It Be and Abbey Road and the breakup years following.

During Let It Be the movie, what I see is Paul trying to win John's affections back - but it was too late.

But I see Paul desperately trying to reignite John's love for him.

I don't think John and Paul actually had a physical or sexual relationship - unless during their early teen years they might have, as some close boys will- but that sort of "love" was there between them. I think "Oh Darling" was written for John - I think I read that they actually called each "darling" as jokey nicknames. And I know John once said that he thought a lot of Paul's songs were written about him (Beatle songs - not just Ram - but like Hey Jude).

And there are the stories of John crying for Paul or whatever during their early years.

So overall I think John had a strong attraction for Paul, Paul manipulated John with that attraction, they never really consummated, Yoko eventually stole John from Paul, and then Paul acted like a jilted lover. Which over the years is how John described their relationship.

Very little fact, just my opinion.

 

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