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Did John Lennon have gay leanings?
30 July 2013
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I have to agree with Meanmrmustard and Drbeatle here. At the risk of losing my official Beatles Fan card, I will mention the Fred Seaman book that absolutely documents Yoko's constant calls to John in LA keeping track of him & May Pang and dictating where they could and could not go, while she was in Chicago getting it on with some musician whose name escapes me. There is also May Pang's book that documents the theory (though I admit there is some bias involved there). Yoko was still on heroin when John got back to New York. That was something that was very hard for John to deal with. They were almost never together. He had to make an appointment to see her. She had her own office/inner sanctum on the first or second floor of the Dakota, and John would want to go out and do something with her and she was never available. He still saw May Pang during this period, though it was only on occasion. He was not as hands-on raising Sean as I originally thought. He had a nanny who did that. John would see him in the morning and again at night, but other than that, he couldn't be bothered (although he was obsessed with framing all of Sean's pictures and artworks). I think John was at the very least thinking about what life would be like without Yoko. As for the songs, I've written plenty of poems about love affairs the way I wished they could be. John said it himself in a documentary (sorry, don't remember which one).."they're just songs. I wrote what I was thinking."

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30 July 2013
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I'm about to read the Seaman book, as soon as I get it in the mail.  I'm not sure at what point they started doing this, but I do know that at some point Yoko's numerologists and psychics would let her know where they could and could not travel based on what they saw.  That might have something to do with the calls to John and May.

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30 July 2013
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Wow this discussion has taken an interesting twist.

30 July 2013
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meanmistermustard said
a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Tho John himself disputes that in the Andy Peebles 1980 BBC radio where he said that they were always going out into New York and meeting fans on the streets who would say howdie but not pester him, its just that they never made the papers as they were out of the scene having not returned phone calls.

Its an incredibly tangled period to unravel as the two people it concerns give a completely different to what was said to be happening yet they're not the most reliable witnesses to call upon.

Further complicated by one of them being dead and the other rewriting history!

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30 July 2013
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mccartneyalarm said
I have to agree with Meanmrmustard and Drbeatle here. At the risk of losing my official Beatles Fan card, I will mention the Fred Seaman book that absolutely documents Yoko's constant calls to John in LA keeping track of him & May Pang and dictating where they could and could not go, while she was in Chicago getting it on with some musician whose name escapes me. There is also May Pang's book that documents the theory (though I admit there is some bias involved there). Yoko was still on heroin when John got back to New York. That was something that was very hard for John to deal with. They were almost never together. He had to make an appointment to see her. She had her own office/inner sanctum on the first or second floor of the Dakota, and John would want to go out and do something with her and she was never available. He still saw May Pang during this period, though it was only on occasion. He was not as hands-on raising Sean as I originally thought. He had a nanny who did that. John would see him in the morning and again at night, but other than that, he couldn't be bothered (although he was obsessed with framing all of Sean's pictures and artworks). I think John was at the very least thinking about what life would be like without Yoko. As for the songs, I've written plenty of poems about love affairs the way I wished they could be. John said it himself in a documentary (sorry, don't remember which one).."they're just songs. I wrote what I was thinking."

I forgot about the Seaman book, good call. I wish he hadn't been compelled (forced, legally :lol: ) to return John's diaries...I'd love to read what's in those!

 

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31 July 2013
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I've read Seaman's book. There's also Dakota Days, written by the tarot card reader about John's final years. I got it from the library, but it's been a hard, miserable slog, and I don't know if I'm going to get through all of it before it has to be returned.

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parlance said
I've read Seaman's book. There's also Dakota Days, written by the tarot card reader about John's final years. I got it from the library, but it's been a hard, miserable slog, and I don't know if I'm going to get through all of it before it has to be returned.

parlance

The tarot reader? :lol: That's insane that they'd write a book...remember all the crazy stuff that's been written about how John and/or Yoko blew off visits with the other 3, as well as skipping out on Apple-related meetings (and thus prolonging the dissolution of the Beatles' partnership) because of the numerology?

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31 July 2013
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DrBeatle said

The tarot reader? :lol: That's insane that they'd write a book...remember all the crazy stuff that's been written about how John and/or Yoko blew off visits with the other 3, as well as skipping out on Apple-related meetings (and thus prolonging the dissolution of the Beatles' partnership) because of the numerology?

Ha, yes. I wonder if John was making excuses because he didn't want to face the finality of it.

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parlance said

DrBeatle said
The tarot reader? :lol: That's insane that they'd write a book...remember all the crazy stuff that's been written about how John and/or Yoko blew off visits with the other 3, as well as skipping out on Apple-related meetings (and thus prolonging the dissolution of the Beatles' partnership) because of the numerology?

Ha, yes. I wonder if John was making excuses because he didn't want to face the finality of it.

parlance

Could be. For all his bluster in the press about moving beyond the past and shitting all over their legacy, in private it's been pretty well documented that he may have been the most nostalgic of all of them when it came to the band.

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31 July 2013
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The numerology figured into Yoko's sending John all over creation after they got back together after the Lost Weekend. I know they were into numerology pretty much from the start, but I don't think it had anything to do with all the calls to John & May Pang during the Lost Weekend. That was pure control tactics on her part. Another book that is priceless for Lennon information is the recently published Letters by John Lennon. The whole book is a compilation of letters and To Do lists (left for Fred Seaman) and such written by John himself. He does discuss May Pang & Paul & his frustration about not seeing "Mother." Guess we have gotten off the gay leanings topic. My bad!

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Faded flowers, wait in a jar, till the evening is complete... complete... complete... complete...
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Funny Paper said
The Last Word.

He is so sassy, I effing love it.  Where's the whole interview?  ahdn_paul_06

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6 August 2013
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Actually, especially with all the weird drugs circulating at the time, it wouldn't be totally surprising if John got loaded and DID try something sexual with some guy at some orgy somewhere, even if just for the sake of experimentation. (shrug) Maybe he went to a lot of orgies! He was at that one with Eric "Eggman" Burdon, wasn't he?

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LHL -- here it is, 1988, begins with David Frost, ends with George Martin.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8  Thank you!  a-hard-days-night-john-6

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6 August 2013
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Thanks for that interview!

Seems pretty clear to me. I now know which book not to get near to.

10 August 2013
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I've been thinking about this a lot lately. There has been so much lies written about John Lennon that it's impossible to establish just what is true and what isn't. My personal opinion (for what it's worth!) is that John probably had a certain curiousity and might have experimented with Brian. I don't think he was gay or bisexual but he may have had an attraction to Paul. It has been known for completely hetrosexual people to feel attracted to someone of the same sex. John and Paul had a very unique and complex relationship. They were more than friends, family or lovers, they seemed to have had some kind of special connection that noone else could possibly understand. He may have dabbled (not sure if that's the word i'm searching for but it will have to do!) with Paul if Paul had been willing, but I don't think Paul was. But saying all that I could be totally wrong, who am I to know? Nobody knew exactly how John felt apart from John, and sadly he isn't here anymore to confirm or deny. That's the sad thing, anyone can make up any outrageous stories about him and he can't defend himself. Bit off topic, but I read a truly dreadful book called the Lennon Prophecies which claimed John sold his soul to the devil!!!!!! (as George would say, the mind boggles at the very idea!) To have actually written a book and made money off such garbage is diabolical.

 

10 August 2013
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Thank you for that interview from Paul...could he be any cuter? (Sigh) I read the Goldman book and practically any other book about John that I can get my hands on. It really is fun to take a pencil to circle the stuff I know for sure is BS. There's plenty of it...but it is mixed in with the truth, like Paul said. In my opinion, John's having two or three rumored, experimental liasons with Brian or whomever hardly makes him gay or bi or abnormal in any way, especially considering the drugs he was taking. The book I am reading now (hate to admit it, but am reading the book by the tarot card reader) is full of BS. I wonder how Yoko allowed it to be published (cuz alot of it is about her tarot readings as well as John's...neat perspective if you don't mind sorting out the BS). Anyway, according to this Charlie Swan guy, John was prone to visiting NY hookers after Sean's birth. Doesn't sound like he's gay to me. Who knows? And if he was gay, he'd have definitely done Paul! I know straight men who think Paul is so good looking, they say they'd do him! (Insert giggle here)

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mccartneyalarm said
Thank you for that interview from Paul...could he be any cuter? (Sigh) I read the Goldman book and practically any other book about John that I can get my hands on. It really is fun to take a pencil to circle the stuff I know for sure is BS. There's plenty of it...but it is mixed in with the truth, like Paul said. In my opinion, John's having two or three rumored, experimental liasons with Brian or whomever hardly makes him gay or bi or abnormal in any way, especially considering the drugs he was taking. The book I am reading now (hate to admit it, but am reading the book by the tarot card reader) is full of BS. I wonder how Yoko allowed it to be published (cuz alot of it is about her tarot readings as well as John's...neat perspective if you don't mind sorting out the BS). Anyway, according to this Charlie Swan guy, John was prone to visiting NY hookers after Sean's birth. Doesn't sound like he's gay to me. Who knows? And if he was gay, he'd have definitely done Paul! I know straight men who think Paul is so good looking, they say they'd do him! (Insert giggle here)

I know, who could blame him for wanting to do Paul!

Good points there mccartneyalarm. I think if a lot of men were honest they would admit to having gay experiences, especially when young. It's nothing to be ashamed of, and doesn't mean they are gay or bi (not that there's anthing wrong with that). Never heard about the John visiting hookers thing before. That's a shame if it's true.

 

 

 

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Hi, Hannah! It is a shame if it is true that John visited hookers in NY..but it may be on the truer side rather than the BS side as we all know all of the Beatles visited (or enjoyed) hookers when they were in Hamburg. Again...doesn't reflect on their character. Amazing that none of the hookers wrote a book! If a tarot card reader can write one, I'd imagine a hooker could write one, too!

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