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Did John Lennon have gay leanings?
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fabfouremily said
John was messed up on drugs, Preludin I believe, and Paul was in bed with a "bird", sometime when they were in Hamburg.  John came in the room and cut up all of her clothes with scissors.  I always thought that despite him being on drugs, it seemed like a weird jealousy thing…

It does seem like the kind of thing someone jealous would do upon finding their partner in bed with somebody else, but it could have another explanation. Maybe Paul was meant to be on stage or something? Do we know the exact circumstances of this event?

I don't think John was infatuated with Paul otherwise he would have tried it on at least once (we don't know for sure that he ever did). Nothing stopped him with anyone else, did it? I think he loved him in a brotherly way, and he admired him. I don't think there was anything sexual in it.

I read a quote from Yoko one time about how she had suspected that John had at one point wanted to have an affair with Paul, but he had not been into it.  I can't find it now so I can't source it to anything, but it was Yoko that had (allegedly) said it.  We'll never know for sure, it's just speculation...  but who knows.  

As for the cutting up the clothes thing, when I find the actual story (it's in my Anthology book and I believe it was George that told the story) I will post it here.  I don't think Paul was supposed to be on stage, I think he was way to driven to do something like that.  

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The trip to Spain with Brian was what really started all the speculation. It always struck me as odd that John would leave Cynthia after she just gave birth to Julian (though that is "typical" John Lennon) to go to Spain with Brian. I mean, I know he was no Father or Husband of the Year, but that is kinda' odd to do that (since he was with him 99% of the time anyway.) Surely John knew what Brian had on his mind. He used to tease him mercilessly about being a "pansy" or some other horrible gay term. I think it is more probable than not that Brian and John hooked up at least once. I don't believe he and Paul ever did. If Yoko said John wanted to do it with Paul, then I really don't believe it. She disliked Paul and she had a very caustic tongue...she's not all that credible in my opinion. By the way, she had her "friend" move in with her three months after John's death (I have to look up his name). He stayed there at the Dakota for something like 23 years. Yoko is another character who will never be understood!

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LongHairedLady said

I read a quote from Yoko one time about how she had suspected that John had at one point wanted to have an affair with Paul, but he had not been into it.  I can't find it now so I can't source it to anything, but it was Yoko that had (allegedly) said it.  We'll never know for sure, it's just speculation...  but who knows.  

That's from Philip Norman's bio on John (the Shout! author who's now writing a bio on Paul). From this book came "Paul's immovable heterosexuality," which may be the most ridiculous phrase ever conceived. The complete quote:

"John's wounded anger was more that of an ex-spouse than ex-colleague, reinforcing a suspicion in Yoko's mind that his feelings for Paul had been far more intense than the world ever guessed. From chance remarks he had made, she gathered there had even been a moment when - on the principle that bohemians should try everything - he had contemplated an affair with Paul, but had been deterred by Paul's immovable heterosexuality. Nor, apparently was Yoko the only one to have picked up on this. Around Apple, in her hearing, Paul would sometimes be called John's Princess. She had also once heard a rehearsal tape with John's voice calling out "Paul . . . Paul . . .' in a strangely subservient, pleading way. "I knew there was something going on there,' she remembers. "From his point of view, not from Paul's. And he was so angry at Paul, I couldn't help wondering what it was really about.' "

 

As for the cutting up the clothes thing, when I find the actual story (it's in my Anthology book and I believe it was George that told the story) I will post it here. 

Found the quote at Google Reads:

"One time Paul had a chick in bed and John came in and got a pair of scissors and cut all her clothes into pieces and then wrecked the wardrobe. He got like that occasionally, it was because of the pills and being up too long."

Some versions of the quote also has John calling the woman a whore, but I think that's fanciful injection from fans, and as you can see from the link, this is the direct quote in Anthology.

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Scoun said It doesn't matter to me either way. I'm not homophobic at all.

I find it highly amusing that most of the people posting on this topic have to add this apology and can't just talk about the subject without anxiously worrying that someone might think they are homophobic.  It reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where every time Jerry or Kramer or George made a joke about a gay guy, they felt obliged to add -- "Not that there's anything wrong with being gay". 

The only difference is that Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld (the writers) had a sense of humor about the whole thing -- something that seems gravely lacking here.

I think you've just summed up every single post on this thread, congratulations, you get it. a-hard-days-night-ringo-8

My feelings on the situation, I mean, it surely is possible, but I don't exactly dismiss it. The only time i really dismiss it when the annoying shippers come along and are like "wow!!! lol!!! dey are SO gay!!!" and I'm pretty sure everyone's been there to pretend to dislike something completely just because the other people who like it are absolutely bonkers and repulsive, right?

I'm not sure if i'd call the things that are talked about on here evidence or not, but I do remember finding somewhere yoko saying that John wanted to try sex with Paul for bohemian purposes.

I'm dubious, neither here or there.

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Funny Paper said

Scoun said It doesn't matter to me either way. I'm not homophobic at all.

I find it highly amusing that most of the people posting on this topic have to add this apology and can't just talk about the subject without anxiously worrying that someone might think they are homophobic.  It reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where every time Jerry or Kramer or George made a joke about a gay guy, they felt obliged to add -- "Not that there's anything wrong with being gay". 

The only difference is that Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld (the writers) had a sense of humor about the whole thing -- something that seems gravely lacking here.

I don't think its a lack of a sense of humour but fear of being accused of being a homophobe or upsetting someone unintentionally. Its easier to apologise or explain your position before someone takes an innocent comment and blows it up into a full blown national incident and calling for arrests and public floggings, of which such people do exist. And the same can be said for Muslims, Christians, Feminists, Satanists, Frogists, Blueists, Treeists and anything else you can think off. Some people in the world are easily offended, some are looking for a public execution asap, many others are not.

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LongHairedLady said

I read a quote from Yoko one time about how she had suspected that John had at one point wanted to have an affair with Paul, but he had not been into it.  I can't find it now so I can't source it to anything, but it was Yoko that had (allegedly) said it.  We'll never know for sure, it's just speculation...  but who knows.  

That's from Philip Norman's bio on John (the Shout! author who's now writing a bio on Paul). From this book came "Paul's immovable heterosexuality," which may be the most ridiculous phrase ever conceived. The complete quote:

"John's wounded anger was more that of an ex-spouse than ex-colleague, reinforcing a suspicion in Yoko's mind that his feelings for Paul had been far more intense than the world ever guessed. From chance remarks he had made, she gathered there had even been a moment when - on the principle that bohemians should try everything - he had contemplated an affair with Paul, but had been deterred by Paul's immovable heterosexuality. Nor, apparently was Yoko the only one to have picked up on this. Around Apple, in her hearing, Paul would sometimes be called John's Princess. She had also once heard a rehearsal tape with John's voice calling out "Paul . . . Paul . . .' in a strangely subservient, pleading way. "I knew there was something going on there,' she remembers. "From his point of view, not from Paul's. And he was so angry at Paul, I couldn't help wondering what it was really about.' "

 

As for the cutting up the clothes thing, when I find the actual story (it's in my Anthology book and I believe it was George that told the story) I will post it here. 

Found the quote at Google Reads:

"One time Paul had a chick in bed and John came in and got a pair of scissors and cut all her clothes into pieces and then wrecked the wardrobe. He got like that occasionally, it was because of the pills and being up too long."

Some versions of the quote also has John calling the woman a whore, but I think that's fanciful injection from fans, and as you can see from the link, this is the direct quote in Anthology.

parlance

Thanks for pointing those out. I would actually completely believe those quotes from Yoko...maybe not necessarily the content completely, but that she said it, sure. Norman's book was the authorized biography, with Yoko's blessing, and he interviewed her a lot for it. She only revoked her authorization at the end (right before publication) because she felt he portrayed her too negatively (which is a joke, he treated her far too KINDLY), but he published it anyway.

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