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Did John Lennon have gay leanings?
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meanmistermustard said
John sounds isolated, unhappy, bored, trapped and depressed on the diary tape - tho its not as biting towards Dylan, Paul, Paul Simon and Mick Jagger as i was led to believe. The section about his mother and copping a feel is a bit creepy as well is his recollection of seeing her satisfying John Dykins (who would use the margarine sitting on the kitchen table to grease his hair (yuck)).

Being a Scot it was heart warming to hear him speaking so fondly of Edinburgh and the Military Tattoo (as well as Japan) after hearing the bagpipes outside his window, tho sad that he never got the chance to bring Sean over in 1981, as was hearing him say he had "given up Scotland and the Ocean and settling for some grass and a tree" just outside New York. It's no surprise hearing this that John loved the boat trip to Bermuda and the freedom, release and excitement he got from that.

The more i read and more and hear the more i think John and Yoko would have split in the early 80's, its plainly obvious John at least was deeply unhappy with how things were - despite what they put out there in the interviews to promote Double Fantasy

To be fair, regarding the thing with his mom, this is a quote from Paul in "Many Years From Now":

At night there was a moment where she would pass our bedroom door in her underwear, which was the only time I would ever see that, and I used to get sexually aroused.  Just a funny little bit.  I mean, it never went beyond that but I was quite proud of it, I thought "That's pretty good".  It's not everyone's mum that's got the power to arouse.

Also him and John and other friends of theirs used to have "wanking sessions" together.

I don't know where I was going with this…  ahdn_paul_01

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DrBeatle said
I've heard those diary tapes (the available ones, anyway) and they're very bleak.  I wish the world could hear them so we could be done with the 34 years (and counting) of nonsense peddled by Yoko and Sean that Johnandyoko was the 20th century's greatest love story. It was two people who barely could stand to be around each other once the glow of the media watching their every move (and thus feeding their massive agos) wore off around 1972 or so.


I can understand your bone of contention on Yoko's end, but I think it's a tad unfair to throw Sean in there. If anything, he's caught in a rock and a hard place: he's got a domineering mother who I'm sure has brainwashed him (or tried to, anyway) on how great JOHNANDYOKO was. But at the same time, he's at the age now where he undoubtly knows about the Lost Weekend and May Pang and how John left Cynthia at the drop of a hat for his mom and how shitty Julian has been treated. That's a lot to take on and deal with for anybody. So if Sean does help peddle the nonsense in your view, what's he supposed to do? If he goes against the grain, then you know Yoko's cutting off all contact with him, and that's not easy for anybody to deal with. (I've seen it firsthand with my wife when she and her mom stopped speaking for a while.) So Sean's in a no-win situation: either he helps sell the nauseating myth of JOHNANDYOKO or he doesn't and possibly lose contact with the only parent he's got.

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This thread should attempt to get back on topic. Read the title. It's turned into another discussion about John and Yoko, when there is already a thread for that. I want to post in the right thread, but too much of what I want to reply to is here.


Why do people have to keep turning threads about John into attacks on Yoko?


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