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Did John Lennon have gay leanings?
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Here are some reasons why I wonder:

1. John writes about gay sex several times in "Skywriting by Word of Mouth." 

2. In the Norman biography, there is the story of how John was once overheard "pleading in a submissive way" with Paul in the studio, and how Paul was referred to by others in the studio as John's "princess."  There was also a rumor that John had propositioned Paul and he said no. 

3.  A story by someone on the Internet (I forget who) who hung out with John and John asked him, "Are you gay?" and then acted disappointed when he said no.

4.  John joked that Paul was an "estranged fiance" at the Elton John concert in 1974. 

5. John's favorite place in Hamburg was the bar with the drag queens, where he "felt at home."

6. John confessed to Yoko that he liked her because she looked like a man in drag. 

7. The holiday with Brian Epstein.

There is definitely cause to wonder.  Anyone care to comment?  And I'm not trying to start an argument or offend anyone--I'm just examining what I've seen and read from various sources.

....oh, and we can't forget 8.  He almost killed Bob Wooler for joking that he was gay.  That's kind of a red flag.

and 9. He told Yoko that he wanted to be loved more by the gay crowd.

and finally 10. When it was suggested that John have other sexual partners (prior to the Lost Weekend), men were brought up (jokingly, supposedly) as a possibility for John.

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There's that scene in the movie Help! where the four Beatles are driving out on a road in the middle of nowhere on location in the Bahamas, they get lost, and Paul gets out of the car and starts crawling on the road away from them with his butt in the air, and John is looking down at him rather smilingly...blue-meanie

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Funny Paper said
There's that scene in the movie
Help! where the four Beatles are driving out on a road in the middle of nowhere on location in the Bahamas, they get lost, and Paul gets out of the car and starts crawling on the road away from them with his butt in the air, and John is looking down at him rather smilingly...blue-meanie

I instantly thought of this gif from Help! I saw earlier when I read this..

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On the gay thing:  I think he was probably just curious.  It's not an outrageous assumption, and if he was a little that way, then good for him.  Love is Love is Love.  Nothing wrong with that.  Just read some "McLennon" clues.  Seriously, there are lots... some are ridiculous, and some are pretty valid in my opinion.  

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Zig said

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Love is Love is Love.  

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Apropos of this, I love the title of Milton Berle's 1987 memoir.

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mccartneyalarm said
And, let's not forget Stu Sutcliffe. There is far more to that relationship than meets the eye... I can't imagine he had a "crush" (my word) on Paul, though...he was too intimidated by Paul's talent and his fear that Paul would be or become better than he.

I personally don't buy this "Was John gay?" idea. But, supposing he was, and I'm willing to play Devil's advocate, there is one big flaw in this particular argument. John was always much more intimidated by Stuart's talent than he was by Paul's. Paul he saw as a friendly rival, someone who (certainly in the early days - which is when any "crush" would have formed) was his musical equal. However, you get the John-Stuart relationship totally wrong when you say, "John was so forgiving of the fact that Stu had no talent."

John always had the two sides to him - the musician and the artist. Stuart was the most talented artist that John had ever met, so talented that John knew he would never be as good as him. John excused Stuart's "adequate" bass playing because he would do anything to be close to the talented artist. If John was intimidated by anyone because of their talent, it was Stuart.

Look at how often John dumped close friends out of the Quarrymen because he considered they were not good enough musicians, yet Stuart he would not say a word against because he was such a talented painter and his best friend. He was in awe of/intimidated by Stuart in a way that he never was of/by Paul.

If there was more to his relationship with Stuart than meets the eye, than it is a logical assumption - if you believe this kind of thing - that there was more to his relationship with Paul than meets the eye since Paul was a much less frightening prospect...

 

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True, and he also beat up Stu, according to a story I read...I've always wondered if there was some "secret passion" there somewhere that led to the angry outburst.

I think Elton John also gave John a drag queen name--Catherine, or something like that.  And there is that footage of John dancing with a drag queen while Elton takes polaroids.

There are some stories here...I would cut and paste, but there are some bad words.

Then there was also that time that Paul got into a physical fight with Stu onstage, which according to Paul was the only physical fight he had really been in.  He was jealous of John and Stu's relationship, whatever it may have been.  Whether it was just friendship or if it was deeper than that, I think it definitely made Paul jealous.  

On that same subject, there is the other story I've been looking for in my Anthology book but I can't find it because the book is huge, but that is where I read it:  John was messed up on drugs, Preludin I believe, and Paul was in bed with a "bird", sometime when they were in Hamburg.  John came in the room and cut up all of her clothes with scissors.  I always thought that despite him being on drugs, it seemed like a weird jealousy thing...

I did find this quote while I was searching, while Paul was talking about their sexual experiences in Hamburg:

"That's why I've always found very strange the theory that John was gay.  Because over the fifteen years of sharing rooms, sharing our lives, not one of us has an incident to relate of catching John with a boy.  I would have though that kind of thing would be more prevalent, and John's inhibitions were certainly free when he was drunk."

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