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Did John dislike any of Paul's songs?
8 November 2013
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^ Yeah, me too. It's a fun kind of song, and there's nothing wrong with that. When I'm watching the film and it comes on then I don't mind it at all, but I never chose to listen to it away from that scenario.

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I hardly ever listen to Your Mother Should Know. Sometimes when I'm in a weird mood I do, and sometimes I just put it on while walking down the stairs, but when I'm on a train and have my music on or whatever, I almost always skip it.

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Your Mother Should Know is ok but that's about it, i do agree that it works better in MMT, i really like that scene. I actually think i prefer the outtake on Anthology 2 (Take 27). Wasn't YMSK Paul's offering for Our World, thank goodness John had All You Need Is Love.

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meanmistermustard said
Your Mother Should Know is ok but that's about it, i do agree that it works better in MMT, i really like that scene. I actually think i prefer the outtake on Anthology 2 (Take 27). Wasn't YMSK Paul's offering for Our World, thank goodness John had All You Need Is Love

No, All Together Now was - again, thank god!

 

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Not sure which is worse to be honest.

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Ben Ramon said

meanmistermustard said
Your Mother Should Know is ok but that's about it, i do agree that it works better in MMT, i really like that scene. I actually think i prefer the outtake on Anthology 2 (Take 27). Wasn't YMSK Paul's offering for Our World, thank goodness John had All You Need Is Love

No, All Together Now was - again, thank god!

 

During the fade-out of "All You Need Is Love," someone (probably Paul) sings "All together now." Hmm… That's more than likely Paul's way of sneaking a bit of his rejected song into the "Our World" proceedings. Wow, that would have been really off-the-wall to hear him ad-libbing "Your Mother Should Know" during the fade-out of "All You Need Is Love." (If he did, I would have tried to make some sense of it, thinking "Well, of course Your Mother Should Know that All You Need Is Love"…)

9 November 2013
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Ben Ramon said

meanmistermustard said
Your Mother Should Know is ok but that's about it, i do agree that it works better in MMT, i really like that scene. I actually think i prefer the outtake on Anthology 2 (Take 27). Wasn't YMSK Paul's offering for Our World, thank goodness John had All You Need Is Love

No, All Together Now was - again, thank god!

 

I don't know, it was the Summer of Love and all... and a line like "Can I take my friend to bed?" sort of works with the whole "let's love everybody, man" vibe of the era.

In all seriousness, yeah, John's song was the better one.

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9 November 2013
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Thanks Bungalow………I had never realized that connection. 

 

As for Granny music and the more cutting edge stuff……..I think the Beatles were aware of the need to balance their albums. I don't think it's coincidence on Revolver that a wonderful ballad like 'Here There And Everywhere' is chosen to follow George's more unusual sitar based "Love You To'.  And that the truly ground-breaking 'Tomorrow Never Knows'  is preceded by the catchy Tamla inspired 'Got To Get You Into My Life

 

We will go on discussing John and Paul's likes and dislikes of each other's songs forever. But bottom line is they both knew how good the other one was.

 

A lot of John and Paul's solo work has lacked the one thing they could never find again……..An equal to work with.

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meanmistermustard said
Your Mother Should Know is ok but that's about it, i do agree that it works better in MMT, i really like that scene. I actually think i prefer the outtake on Anthology 2 (Take 27). Wasn't YMSK Paul's offering for Our World, thank goodness John had All You Need Is Love.

I like the version on the MMT album, but I LOVE this version.  His voice is amazing in it.

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Atlas said

A lot of John and Paul's solo work has lacked the one thing they could never find again……..An equal to work with.

Agree 100%! In some instances, I look at it in cooking terms. They both could have added a certain flavor to each other's solo work which would have added a new dimension, bringing the music that much closer to perfection.

 

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Atlas said A lot of John and Paul's solo work has lacked the one thing they could never find again……..An equal to work with.

Agree 100%! In some instances, I look at it in cooking terms. They both could have added a certain flavor to each other's solo work which would have added a new dimension, bringing the music that much closer to perfection.  

 

Keeping the cooking theme on a low boil…………I live in Thailand and they have their own proverbs or 'supasits' here. Just as we might reference to cooking to illustrate conflicting influences and say, 'too many cooks spoil the broth' There's a thai proverb that goes, 'King go ra Gar go rang' It's applied mostly to close relationships. It translates to, 'ginger and galangal fighting to overpower the other in the same dish'.

What's amazing about John and Paul…despite their differences and rivalry right up until the 'Ballad of John and Yoko' they could collaborate quite sensitively when they needed too. 

11 November 2013
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I'm surprised no one mentioned Paul's songs he gave away. A World Without Love and One and One is Two are some songs John disliked. I remember reading that John thought the opening verse for AWWL was foolish. 

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BBCSessions1963 said
I'm surprised no one mentioned Paul's songs he gave away. A World Without Love and One and One is Two are some songs John disliked. I remember reading that John thought the opening verse for AWWL was foolish

John had to hold his sides after hearing that first line, "Please lock me away".

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Zig said

BBCSessions1963 said
I'm surprised no one mentioned Paul's songs he gave away. A World Without Love and One and One is Two are some songs John disliked. I remember reading that John thought the opening verse for AWWL was foolish

John had to hold his sides after hearing that first line, "Please lock me away".

Paul once cracked that John's first response after he first heard that line was "OK, done. Now don't sing it again." Which sounds like something he would say.

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Atlas said

 

Keeping the cooking theme on a low boil…………I live in Thailand and they have their own proverbs or 'supasits' here. Just as we might reference to cooking to illustrate conflicting influences and say, 'too many cooks spoil the broth' There's a thai proverb that goes, 'King go ra Gar go rang' It's applied mostly to close relationships. It translates to, 'ginger and galangal fighting to overpower the other in the same dish'.

Atlas, I really like this Thai proverb, and I've written it down for future use. Maybe it's because I love Thai food, and I'm so familiar with the flavors of ginger and galangal. But I can see where the proverb definitely fits the Beatles songwriting recipe; John and Paul were the ginger and galangal, always fighting for prominance on any given album/dish. When they split up, their solo albums were very often "too much ginger," or "could have used a little galangal." So, where does George Harrison fit in on the list of ingredients? Hmm, maybe… lemongrass? (Actually, George probably should be galangal, the tough root that sometimes tastes like… an "Old Brown Shoe.") ;-)

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 tastes like… an "Old Brown Shoe.")………Probably needed more 'ginger'

 

We know all the story well…….. but I consider myself bloody lucky that the mystical stirring of karma and fate that brought those 4 'ingredients' into George Martin's 'kitchen' happened in my lifetime. 

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How is it that Ringo's 'Sentimental Journey' album fails to get mentioned during a thread that revolves essentially around the coin-phrase "Granny Sh*t Music"?  I'm really surprised that so many of you carry disdain for 'Your Mother Should Know' as well, one of Paul's catchiest tunes which also happens to give some good advice as well.  George Harrison mentions it when he comments about the best songs on 'Magical Mystery Tour' during the 'Anthology' interviews and I believe that I've even heard John praise it during an interview as well.

 

John, George and Ringo didn't mince words during the years immediately following The Beatles' breakup while being asked about Paul's records, some of it was sour grapes from the decline of their personal relationships while some of it was justified, in my opinion.  I completely agree with Ringo's assessment of the 'RAM' album, although many of you probably won't, he said something like:  "Ram didn't even have one worthwhile song on it, just a couple of interesting lines".  I know many tout how great 'Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey' was but really, other than the very good "Hands across the water...." chorus, what else is there?  "A Butter Pie"?!  "The kettle's on the boil"?!  I'd say Ringo was spot on in his review here, "Man I could smell your feet a mile away"?!

 

George was pretty harsh on 'Maxwell's Silver Hammer' on more than one occasion, he politely complained about having to "spend a lot of time on it" during an interview while the album had just came out, and at another time later on even called it "fruity".  He said, "I mean 'Maxwell's Silver Hammer' was just so fruity!"

 

John, of course, was always a little more direct when critiquing his mate's wares, this from the 'Rolling Stone' Magazine Interview in 1970:

What do you think of George’s ('All Things Must Pass&#39a-hard-days-night-george-10 album? I don’t know… I think it’s all right, you know. Personally, at home, I wouldn’t play that kind of music, I don’t want to hurt George’s feelings, I don’t know what to say about it. I think it’s better than Paul’s.

What did you think of Paul’s ('McCartney&#39a-hard-days-night-george-10? I thought Paul’s was rubbish. I think he’ll make a better one, when he’s frightened into it. But I thought that first one was just a lot of… Remember what I told you when it came out? “Light and easy,” You know that crack. But then I listen to the radio and I hear George’s stuff coming over, well then it’s pretty bloody good. My personal tastes are very strange, you know.

 

Personally, I think much of the complaints about Paul's "Granny Sh*t Music" stems from the fact that he outwrote (by sheer quantities) the others, the consequence is that although he's often portrayed as the most prolific songwriter ever, one must also recognize that he probably wrote the most "throwaways" due to his vast output as well.  Just look at the 'Band On The Run' album which often gets the nod as his "best" work.  Although it contains some great songs, it also features more "Granny Sh*t Music" as well, 'Bluebird'?  'Picasso's Last Words'?  Mrs. Vandebilt?  "Ho, Hey Ho, Ho, Hey Ho"?!  Most fans wouldn't have remembered these had they been on say, 'Wings Wild Life' or 'Red Rose Speedway' or something.  Paul definitely wrote many of the best ('Hey Jude's my all-time favourite) but also gave us many of the worst, in my opinion..:-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Billy Rhythm said
How is it that Ringo's 'Sentimental Journey' album fails to get mentioned during a thread that revolves essentially around the coin-phrase "Granny Sh*t Music"?  

The simple reason is that this thread is about John's view of Paul's work, and that it was John who used the phrase "Granny Sh*t Music" to describe later Paul Beatles' works like Ob-La-Di...Maxwell's Silver Hammer and Teddy Boy. It isn't used here as a generic that can be applied to any song, but as a specific term John applied to some of Paul's work.

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robert said
I think John's dislike of some of Paul's songs provides some interesting in sight into their relationship. There are some of the "granny" type songs that John actually liked (I can't recall the sources here, so be kind). Michelle being one of them - which to me is one of the weakest in that genre for Paul. Yet if I recall correctly, John actually encouraged the song and the whole sound of the song.
 
 
  
 
  
 
  

He (John) claimed to have wrote the Middle Eight ('Michelle&#39a-hard-days-night-george-10, although he readily admitted to borrowing from a Nina Simone song, when John confesses these things it usually means that he's embarrassed about it and trying to shift "the blame".  He did the same while crediting the song 'Baby, Let's Play House' (sorry, can't recall the performer off the top of my head) for the "rather see you dead little girl than to be with another man" lyric from 'Run For Your Life' which was a song that he wasn't fond of.  I got the impression that he wasn't particularly proud of 'Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite' either, and made a point of referencing the famous poster that he borrowed the lyrics from...:-)

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Billy Rhythm's critique of "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" provokes my fiercely dry ire, only to note witheringly that one so apparently amusisch is not worth trying to refute.

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