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Did Elvis Presley hate John Lennon?
10 February 2014
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derek
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ElviszePelvis said

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Because when the Beatles became huge in the USA, people forgot about Elvis. So he hated them because he no longer was the king of music.

Very ignorant comment.

Elvis signed into his movie contracts immediately when he came back from the army in 1960 and his movie contracts did not end until 1970. The Beatles took America by storm from 1964-1969. Elvis did not feel threatened by the Beatles because he was not in the music industry at the time. He was out of the loop due to his contracts. Elvis initially had no quarrels with the Beatles which is why he allowed them to come visit him. However as the Beatles began to take a more 'non-musical vocal' approach to things, such as advertising their ideas and pleasures such as drug use and anti-Americanism Elvis began to feel somewhat annoyed by them. That isn't to say they were solely responsible for such ideas, the times seemed to be headed that way with all the demonstrations and such. Elvis hated the entire culture that was forming around America at the time. When he met Nixon he told him, "I want kids to respect the flag because that's being washed away now a days."

It wasn't that he hated them as people even when they became vocal with their ideas but rather the things they were advertising, Lennon especially. How could he hate them when they constantly praised him throughout their career and even 'til this day?

The Beatles were great but let's not turn this into a Beatles vs. Elvis thing. The Beatles existed because of Elvis, as John himself said, "If there had been no Elvis Presley, there would be no Beatles."

 

 It didn't seem to me that Elvis trusted Nixon much either, he was quoted as saying to Nixon, "Mr. President, we all do respect, you have your show to run, i got mine."

 

 

10 February 2014
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Ummm, am i missing something? my reply was supposed to be OUTSIDE the box, right?

10 February 2014
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derek said
Ummm, am i missing something? my reply was supposed to be OUTSIDE the box, right?

Yeah, but it's okay. Things like that happen a fair bit on here.

 

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10 February 2014
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I've tried to post twice in this thread & each time it gobbles up what I wrote and only posts what I quoted from Tulane on the previous page.

Anyway, what I was trying to say is that I think Tulane's post was great. Also that I read in Priscilla Presley's book that Elvis because curious about LSD after The Beatles went public with their experiences. They tried it alone at Graceland once and after spending hours staring at the aquarium, neither cared for the experience and never tried it again.

I have to say, this forum has been acting so strangely it seems as though it may have been dipping into the ol' lysergic, too. blue-meanie

11 February 2014
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Priscilla's a bit confused about the timeline, I think. Every other account I've read has Elvis, Priscilla and some of the guys taking acid at Graceland sometime between Christmas and New Year's Eve, 1965; whereas the Beatles never went public until Paul forced their hand in '67.

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11 February 2014
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It wouldn't be the first thing she's been confused about. Must be all the Botox.

14 February 2014
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 Double post….

 

 

15 February 2014
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Sorry messed up above…………..

 

Here's what I meant to post.

This is a sound clip from, 'Jukebox Jury' a BBC show that was very popular in it's day. Four 'famous for something' members of a Jury give the thumbs-up or down to the weeks new releases……..Acts like the  Stones Kinks Beach-Boys…….Elvis etc.

On one occasion at least, all four Beatles made up the jury. This clip has an idiot girl and John……(who's quite funny and articulate) giving their thoughts on, 'She's a Devil in Disguise'

 

I doubt what John had to say would have endeared him much to Elvis.

 

http://youtu.be/EC2a6x3e04c

15 February 2014
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Elvis didn't like John Lennon's anti-war stance, and thought it was dumb.. even if it was the peaceful answer. Elvis also died out when the Beatles came around.. so he was jealous. Elvis was a very stuck up person I must say, he thought he was well, the King, and took advantage of it. So one someone else came into the picture he was angry he wasn't in the spotlight anymore. 

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I'm late to the discussion, so forgive me if I say something that's already been said (I've done my best to skim the thread).

Yes, I believe Elvis took acid and smoked marijuana before The Beatles announced their drug use to the public.

Elvis went to see Nixon because he wanted to be a federal agent in the fight against drugs, but the real reason was that he wanted the special badge that went with it to add to his collection of law enforcement badges.  The funny thing is, Nixon didn't tell him the badge was honorary, so he left the White House thinking he had the ability to arrest people for drugs.

While he was with Nixon, he did mention The Beatles and their anti-American sentiments, but apparently it just a passing comment.

I think the real motivation was getting the fancy badge, because Elvis went on to use cocaine himself a few years later.

I haven't seen any evidence that he hated John Lennon.  I believe he loved The Beatles' music, since he covered several of their songs.  He also wouldn't have met with them if he resented them.  Also, Elvis was helpful to John Lennon when he was fighting to stay in the US, and spoke with him by phone several times.

And yes, Elvis always hated his film own film career (I love his films, though) and wanted to do more serious films, but the Colonel would have nothing to do with anything that didn't bring in the big bucks.

"This Beatles talk bores me to death." --John Lennon

16 March 2014
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We're in 2014 so I think it's time to dispel a few myths.

  • Elvis was big with FBI/Nixon and actively sought to have Beatles deported. Much has been made of Elvis' visit to the White House in 1970. While it's true that he did meet Nixon and he made some unsavory remarks regarding the Beatles, I have yet to see proof that kicking Beatles out was uppermost in his mind, or that is was mentioned at all, even in passing. Furthermore, the idea that Nixon and Elvis were pals is laughable. A WW2 veteran in his late 50's, a hardliner and a crooked politician, he probably understood Elvis & John about as much as Admiral Morrison understood his son Jim. Fast forward a couple of days, Elvis is granted a private tour of the FBI headquarters and on the occasion he allegedly repeats  some of the nonsense regarding the Beatles. Interestingly Hoover deliberately avoids meeting Elvis. As for his opinion regarding The King, well… I believe the FBI files on Elvis are public domain now, so you can go and check for yourself. I wouldn't call this "being big with FBI" (or even CIA as claimed by Ringo). In any case, I doubt the president or the head of FBI take advice from singers, even when the singer in question is Elvis Presley. Whatever efforts Nixon/FBI made to deport John, those were most likely the result of John own's anti-war activities, and not because of Elvis' lobbying.  
  • Beatles/Dylan dethroned Elvis and that's why he hated them. One only needs to look at Elvis' chart presence in 1962-63 in comparison to 1956-57. By the time Beatles took America (and ultimately the whole world) by storm in 1964, Elvis music career was already in shambles. Does anybody in his right mind think that Elvis would have dominated the 60's with "hits" like "Queenie Wahines Papaya" or "There's no room to rhumba in a sports car", even if Beatles never existed? At best, Beatles and Dylan made Elvis look even more irrelevant than he already allowed himself to be.
  • Elvis recorded Beatles songs in a desperate attempt to get noticed. While Elvis was feverishly looking for a comeback in 68 after a 7 year hiatus and was lacking new material, he didn't need to cover Beatles songs to revive his career. Detractors (and Beatles fans) conveniently overlook the fact that Elvis was back in the charts and radio stations in 69-70, and he wasn't doing that with Yesterday, Something, Hey Jude, and Get Back, but with his own string of hits: Suspicious Minds, In the Ghetto, Don't Cry Daddy, The Wonder of You, Kentucky Rain, If I can dream. He did not write these songs fair enough, but he sounded just as good, if not better, than anybody in the business at the time, and his on stage showmanship made the Beatles look like demure schoolboys. Like it or not, Elvis co-existed with Beatles in 69/70 and there's no reason to assume he recorded their songs in an attempt to cash in. He simply recorded and played those songs because he liked them, and there's no way you are going to promote the ideas (or artistic output) of somebody you hate. 
  • Elvis met the Beatles in order to get more publicity at a time when he was on the sideline… except for the fact that there was no press allowed, no audio/video recordings, and almost no photographs of the event exist. As far as I know the event wasn't highly publicized at the time, and even if word did get out eventually, it didn't make much difference one way or another. The fact that Elvis agreed to meet them points again to the conclusion that he probably din't hate them, though he might have been a little apprehensive and jealous of their success.

 Also, references to Elvis taking drugs or being weird have no place here. And if there's going to be a contest between the two I'm not that sure it will be an easy win for Elvis. His idiosyncrasies notwithstanding, at least there are no pictures/movies of Elvis and Priscilla naked (although ironically people would have been far more interested in seeing those :D), nor are there any (tea)bag(ging) events and bed peace hairy sessions. It depends on what makes you cringe, I guess.

So did Elvis hate John? I think it's more likely that their respective fans hate each other.

P.S. It's the first time I hear Elvis totally destroyed Bridge over troubled water… perhaps you should check Paul Simon's remarks on that a-hard-days-night-george-10

      

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I'm reading "If I Can Dream" by Larry Gellar, Elvis's close friend and spiritual adviser, who was there when The Beatles met Elvis. Gellar smoked a joint with George and discussed Hinduism that night. He says that John was Elvis's favorite because John made him laugh. Elvis gave John his private number and years later John called him for advice on his immigration issues, and Elvis advised John to make a public statement against drugs. Elvis is quoted as saying, after The Beatles left, "I like them. They're good boys."

"This Beatles talk bores me to death." --John Lennon

26 June 2014
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What a very interesting thread.  It's been known for a quite awhile that Presley had become annoyed by Lennon's activism.  Presley was annoyed by a lot of things.  As was John Lennon.  But it could have been anybody.  It could have been someone else entirely, who was doing and saying the things Lennon was, and they would have annoyed Presley.  It just happened to be Lennon.

Both men had a penchant for letting their mouth over-ride their brain.  Lennon made a habit of admitting to this, on numerous occasions.  So it's logical to assume that some of the things the one had said and did, would irritate the other, especially a person of a conservative nature like Presley.  It's fair to assume he "didn't take kindly" to statements Lennon made about the U.S. Government.

Did Presley hate Lennon?  Hate is a pretty strong word and usually requires some sort of personal connection.  I don't think that existed between the two.  I doubt whatever resentment Presley felt towards Lennon was actual hate.  Nor do I think he ever felt threatened by The Beatles.  While they were both icons of Rock music, by the time The Beatles stormed America, they were so far apart, musically, it didn't matter.  They both dominated record sales and, as has been pointed out, Presley was being led away from music to concentrate on movies.

It's true that Lennon once said if it hadn't been for Presley, he'd had never gone into music.

It's also true that Lennon had little impact on Presley.

“Send John out first; he’s the one they want.”

~ George Harrison

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26 June 2014
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i think that John obviously was influenced by Elvis, but Elvis thought that he was trying to upset his balance. After all, he tried to get the FBI to deport the Beatles (with no success).

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