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Did Elvis Presley hate John Lennon?
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mja6758 said
Let's be honest here. Mel Gibson is a nutjob. Joe Eszterhas is as well though. This is a man who thought Showgirls was a great film. Two Hollywood nutjobs try and find outrageous ways to insult each other after falling out over a film project. And Joe's family's aren't exactly clean when it comes to anti-Semitism. His father was investigated for writing anti-Semitic propaganda in 1930s-early 1940s Hungary. I'm not saying Mel Gibson didn't spout the crap he's accused of, just that the only evidence I could find of it - and it may have been noticed that I do like finding quotes - is Joe Eszterhas' accusation, which was followed by a Gibson denial.

"Mel Gibson is a nutjob. Joe Eszterhas is as well though. This is a man who thought Showgirls was a great film."

Putting poor aesthetic judgement on an equal par with a vile murderous rant that goes on so long the person's throat is raw from screaming spittle and froth of rage may be amusing (if meant facetiously), but it's outrageously inept if meant seriously.

"And Joe's family's aren't exactly clean when it comes to anti-Semitism. His father was investigated for writing anti-Semitic propaganda in 1930s-early 1940s Hungary."

And Esterhazy said in the Stern interview that he made the painful decision years ago to utterly disown his own father and never speak to him again, right up to the day of his death.  We cannot say the same for Gibson, who when confronted time and time again about his father's antisemitism only offers hedged evasive maneuvers.

I'm not saying Esterhazy's allegation is 100% certain; just saying I lean toward believing him, and disbelieving Gibson, based on their respective and markedly dissimilar character.  In addition to that, there is the plausibility factor: Why would Esterhazy make up some detail like that?  If he's going to fabricate an object of hate for Gibson in order to smear his character, he could think of quite a few more current and socially even more loved ones than Lennon.

In addition, Gibson's lack of interest in suing Esterhazy for slander is telling.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8This is a provocative converstion, for sure, but has little to do anymore with Elvis hating John. Please move the Gibson/Eszterhas conversation to another thread. Perhaps this one...

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Found this interesting little bit on subject from an article about Tom Jones in the Daily Mail, written by Chris Hutchins, 7 January 2011:

It was not the only time that Tom had seen Elvis angry. Whenever John Lennon’s name came up, he would fly into a rage.

His dislike of the pacifist Beatle was born from the night I took the Fab Four to his house for their first — and last — meeting.

John had annoyed Presley by making his anti-war feelings known the moment he stepped into the massive lounge and spotted the table lamps — model ­wagons engraved with the message: ‘All the way with LBJ.’ Lennon hated President Lyndon B Johnson for raising the stakes in the Vietnam War.

Presley allied himself with the FBI director Edgar Hoover and ­encouraged him to have Lennon thrown out of the U.S.

‘He should’ve been kicked out long ago,’ Elvis told Tom that night. ‘I had a run-in with him myself,’ Tom said. He made some smart remark at a TV studios in England, where we were appearing on the show Thank Your Lucky Stars. I wanted to take him outside and see what sort of hiding his intellect would stand.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....z2HoQGRVvw 

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Found this interesting little bit on subject from an article about Tom Jones in the Daily Mail, written by Chris Hutchins, 7 January 2011:

It was not the only time that Tom had seen Elvis angry. Whenever John Lennon’s name came up, he would fly into a rage.

His dislike of the pacifist Beatle was born from the night I took the Fab Four to his house for their first — and last — meeting.

John had annoyed Presley by making his anti-war feelings known the moment he stepped into the massive lounge and spotted the table lamps — model ­wagons engraved with the message: ‘All the way with LBJ.’ Lennon hated President Lyndon B Johnson for raising the stakes in the Vietnam War.

Presley allied himself with the FBI director Edgar Hoover and ­encouraged him to have Lennon thrown out of the U.S.

‘He should’ve been kicked out long ago,’ Elvis told Tom that night. ‘I had a run-in with him myself,’ Tom said. He made some smart remark at a TV studios in England, where we were appearing on the show Thank Your Lucky Stars. I wanted to take him outside and see what sort of hiding his intellect would stand.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....z2HoQGRVvw

 

Tom Jones explanation of the first time him and Lennon met. Its pretty great a-hard-days-night-john-1
 

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mr. Sun king coming together said
Because when the Beatles became huge in the USA, people forgot about Elvis. So he hated them because he no longer was the king of music.

Very ignorant comment.

Elvis signed into his movie contracts immediately when he came back from the army in 1960 and his movie contracts did not end until 1970. The Beatles took America by storm from 1964-1969. Elvis did not feel threatened by the Beatles because he was not in the music industry at the time. He was out of the loop due to his contracts. Elvis initially had no quarrels with the Beatles which is why he allowed them to come visit him. However as the Beatles began to take a more 'non-musical vocal' approach to things, such as advertising their ideas and pleasures such as drug use and anti-Americanism Elvis began to feel somewhat annoyed by them. That isn't to say they were solely responsible for such ideas, the times seemed to be headed that way with all the demonstrations and such. Elvis hated the entire culture that was forming around America at the time. When he met Nixon he told him, "I want kids to respect the flag because that's being washed away now a days."

It wasn't that he hated them as people even when they became vocal with their ideas but rather the things they were advertising, Lennon especially. How could he hate them when they constantly praised him throughout their career and even 'til this day?

The Beatles were great but let's not turn this into a Beatles vs. Elvis thing. The Beatles existed because of Elvis, as John himself said, "If there had been no Elvis Presley, there would be no Beatles."

 

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ElviszePelvis said

mr. Sun king coming together said
Because when the Beatles became huge in the USA, people forgot about Elvis. So he hated them because he no longer was the king of music.

Very ignorant comment.

Elvis signed into his movie contracts immediately when he came back from the army in 1960 and his movie contracts did not end until 1970. The Beatles took America by storm from 1964-1969. Elvis did not feel threatened by the Beatles because he was not in the music industry at the time. He was out of the loop due to his contracts. Elvis initially had no quarrels with the Beatles which is why he allowed them to come visit him. However as the Beatles began to take a more 'non-musical vocal' approach to things, such as advertising their ideas and pleasures such as drug use and anti-Americanism Elvis began to feel somewhat annoyed by them. That isn't to say they were solely responsible for such ideas, the times seemed to be headed that way with all the demonstrations and such. Elvis hated the entire culture that was forming around America at the time. When he met Nixon he told him, "I want kids to respect the flag because that's being washed away now a days."

It wasn't that he hated them as people even when they became vocal with their ideas but rather the things they were advertising, Lennon especially. How could he hate them when they constantly praised him throughout their career and even 'til this day?

The Beatles were great but let's not turn this into a Beatles vs. Elvis thing. The Beatles existed because of Elvis, as John himself said, "If there had been no Elvis Presley, there would be no Beatles."

 

If his comment is ignorant (which I don't think it is) then yours is not any better. Anti-Americanism? You need to separate American Government and America. Sucking up to the government isn't showing your love to USA. Lennon praised NYC, and he praised USA cultural impact it had on UK, but he hated politics that were around that time, and similar politic is shown even today.

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