The Beatles Bible - Topic: Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/ Simple:Press Version 5.2.6 Von Bontee on Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p61703 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p61703 Epic post up there, NoStones! I agree that Keef was unfairly dismissive of Brian's talents in his book. I don't know why he's felt the need to dimish Brian's legacy in recent years - his own legacy is secure, and indeed he had more respectful things to say about Brian in various 70s and 80s interviews.

I don't believe Jimi had any creative input into that Band of Gypsys album cover, however. That was only the European album cover, after all, and everything to do with that album after recording, editing and mixing was kind of an afterthought. No question he ...]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 23:31:10 +0000 NoStonesWithoutBrianJones on Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p61649 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p61649 Greetings.

Just can't let this pass......

If "Life" by Keith Richard is the basis for some believing Brian Jones role in the Stones wasn't what it has been widely accepted as being for, oh I don't know---the last 50 years, one should only consider the source.

I know that sounds funny, but Keith simply isn't trustworthy anymore.

Bill Wyman (1997) Stone Alone

As the official historian of the band I'd suggest you trust Wyman.  In this book he details thoroughly and with passion both the horrible about Brian as well as he makes it his personal mission to give Brian his due----a well deserved due ...]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:24:35 +0000 Joe on Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p56360 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p56360 Quick fact: I went to a funeral yesterday in the same place that Brian Jones was cremated (in Cheltenham, England).

]]> Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:33:39 +0100 The Walrus on Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55737 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55737 I think in Revolution in the Head, MacDonald talks about Brian playing the role that George did in the Beatles and Dave Davies did in the Kinks of keeping up to date with the latest records from America. Blues was his favourite type of music, but he wasn't tied to it.

]]> Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:28:24 +0100 vonbontee on Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55736 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55736 OK fair enough. Got my history wrong!

]]> Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:40:10 +0100 JET! on Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55734 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55734 Well he was certainly one of the founding members, but I wouldn't say he "started" it himself. From what I know, he was playing with a band alongside Ian Stewart and Charlie Watts (a band called Blues Incorperated) when Mick and Keef found him. From there, the Stones formed. It seemed everyone had a fairly equal part in the forming of the band, but Ian Stewart really took control, finding practice space, transportation, etc.

Keith talks about this somewhere in his book as well. He says if it was anyone's band, though it's hard to say that because they were all ...]]> Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:23:32 +0100 vonbontee on Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55709 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55709 Oh, Brian was into ALL sorts of exotic music aside from blues. He made that Master Musicians of Joujouka record, after all. Plus he developed an interest in classical Indian music around the same time as (and independently of) George Harrison. He was able to get some interesting sounds out of unusual instruments like the marimba and dulcimer and etc., which would have come in handy in '66-68 when the Beatles were trying so many different instrumental combinations. Other than that, I can't think of any consistent role he'd fill in a band that already had two (and often three) ...]]> Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:22:50 +0100 The Walrus on Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55706 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55706 He could only have joined if George had left and Clapton wasn't interested in joining.

Assuming he did join in the Let It Be sessions when George stormed out, I think Get Back would have turned out like Aftermath. I can imagine him playing on One After 909, I've Got A Feeling, and the other songs performed on the rooftop. I can't imagine him being impressed with Let It Be, TLAWR, and so forth, and ofc the album would lose the Harrison numbers. He'd either need to put up with there being songs on there he didn't like, or they would ...]]> Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:49:44 +0100 Ben Ramon on Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55688 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55688 Agreed with everything said above. He wouldn't have fitted in with them in any way, personality-wise or musically; it's documented that the only type of music he had any interest in was the blues, and he wasn't much of a songwriter. Plus, his drug struggles and depression would have made him nothing but a hindrance in a band where dedication to work and high quality output was such a factor.

]]> Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:31:53 +0100 JET! on Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55671 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55671 I agree, I think that if the Stones couldn't handle Brian towards the end of his life I don't see the Beatles having a lot of tolerance for him either. He was apparently becoming very possesive of the Stones, which is another reason why he wouldn't have joined the Beatles - he thought the Stones were HIS band and HE was the leader. Though because he didn't write songs, that was just in his head.

His attitude wouldn't really have fit in with the Beatles.

]]> Tue, 14 Aug 2012 07:13:06 +0100 meanmistermustard on Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55658 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55658 Brian Jones was a mate in the earlier days but by the end was a drag to be around. Also he would have had next to no influence in decisions or ideas of how songs were recorded, it was crowded enough in the later days with just the 4 so Brian wouldnt have had a look in. An occasional call up to play a part of a song maybe but nothing more and with the way the beatles tried out parts then rejected them there is no guarantee it would make the final mix.

]]> Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:56:52 +0100 mr. Sun king coming together on Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55656 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55656 Why the hell would The Beatles take him? They wouldn't, at least not as an equal partner. They never would actually make the full step of taking another member on. So, wouldn't named marginalization (what the Stones were offering) be better then anonymous marginalization (which is the nicest reception he'd get from the Beatles)?

]]> Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:42:23 +0100 vonbontee on Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55655 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55655 Well, I know that Brian felt marginalized within the Stones because he couldn't or wouldn't write. So whether he would've used that to his advantage, or simply changed his ways, is surely a factor.

]]> Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:22:51 +0100 allyouneedisloveandpeace on Brian Jones and The Beatles http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55647 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/brian-jones-and-the-beatles/#p55647 It's widely known that Brian Jones appeared on a few Beatles and the band were acquaintances with the Rolling Stones. In the film Stoned, which is based on Brian Jones' life, it was said that he was considering joining the beatles. If he would've, how do you think he would've impacted their sound, do you think the band would've alienated him like the Rolling Stones did?

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