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Wonderwall Music . Electronic Sound
14 December 2013
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On the off-chance that anyone with influence reads this; it is high time we have a 2 CD set with these albums in it.

We have a nice box with the even more obscure Ravi Shankar music included - so how about the actual GH stuff?

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15 December 2013
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Well, I now have, erm, 'alternate versions' of these to get me by until official release.  I will post my thoughts soon; since I am up to 1969 I will have to add these two to the top of the pile.

I imagine they will sound like Sgt Pepper's compared to the Lennon experimental stuff - they probably had less publicity because George kept his private parts to himself unlike the Ono-Lennons.  I think Wonderwall was even the first solo album by a Beatle (excepting the soundtrack to The Family Way which was marketed differently)?

15 December 2013
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Electronic Sound is really horrible in my opinion, I was able to grab a vinyl copy of it for 50 cents however.

Wonderwall is pretty cool, great for a nice run through listen on a road trip. It was also a soundtrack as well.

15 December 2013
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SirFrankieCrisp said
Electronic Sound is really horrible in my opinion, I was able to grab a vinyl copy of it for 50 cents however.

Wonderwall is pretty cool, great for a nice run through listen on a road trip. It was also a soundtrack as well.

As horrible as Yoko squalling for 28 minutes then fiddling with a radio dial for 10?  That was about what Unfinished Music No.2 was all about.

Oh, and I just ordered The Family Way now that I have noticed it is out on a fairly recent re-issue.

 

24 December 2013
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What's interesting about 'Electronic Sound' is that atleast half of it, or one side of the LP (sorry can't remember whether it's Side 1 or 2), George Harrison may have had absolutely nothing to do with, other than secretly taping a demonstration by Bernie Krause when he first introduced a brand new Moog Synthesizer to George during the Fall of 1968.  Bernie, who played on the Jackie Lomax album produced by George in 1968, claims that George recorded & edited his experimenting with his new toy without his consent and giving him proper credit.  Now, this doesn't really sound like something that our quiet peaceful George would do, but others corroborated Mr. Krause's story and even alleged that Bernie's name was even painted over (see the "horizontal" Silver Painted area at the lower left) on the album's front sleeve by George's request.

 

I think that it's more likely that the LP wasn't really a project that George took very seriously, for one, the 'Zapple' Record label was supposed to have been a "disposable records" concept of John's where something was only listened to once or twice before being tossed away.  If George in fact had very little to do with the actual recording itself, then it's highly doubtful that he had much to do with promoting or presenting it, such as giving specific instructions on who gets credit.  The 'Zapple' Records "concept" was unveiled at the height of the Allen Klein "house cleaning" era (Spring 1969) and any recordings lying around that could be turned into Apple capital were, this was why we even got a 'Let It Be' album in the first place, it wasn't because of The Beatles enthusiasm for the project because if it was up to them it wouldn't have gone out at all.  The Bernie Krause recording (if it really was him) was probably labeled as a 'George Harrison' recording on the box by an unknown Apple employee who probably didn't even know who Bernie Krause was, after all, he was only a session musician on Jackie Lomax's album.  The painting over of Bernie Krause's name on the cover sounds more like something Allen Klein would've done to keep a bigger piece of the Zapple Pie.

 

The 'Wonderwall' Soundtrack is excellent, and I'd personally rate it as one of George's Top 5 solo albums.  Unlike 'Electronic Sound', a lot of care and detail was put into the making of this record, much of it giving you an intimate glimpse of the man who was very much still living in the shadows of Lennon/McCartney when it came to discussing George as the "composer".  George had found a spiritual balance in life by 1968, which unfortunately was no longer compatible with life as a Beatle, or his marriage to Patti Boyd either.  His music was his outlet to channel this new found "love of life", and it's much more evident on 'Wonderwall' than even his four songs released on the 'White Album' later that year.  The 'Wonderwall' sessions took place in both London and Bombay, India.  This "duality" is not only consistent with George's balanced approach to life, but also on the front sleeve where two completely different worlds are walled between them, save for a single brick where one on either side can catch a glimpse of the other world if they know where to look.  Unlike John, who was looking to escape his past at the time with Yoko, George made efforts to stay connected to his past, thus employing his old Liverpool mate Eddie Clayton to play guitar on the London sessions while recruiting many new friends made in India to play on the Bombay recordings, the results are magnificent.

 

For those who mentioned 'The Family Way' Soundtrack, compare it to Peter & Gordon's 'Woman' single released around the same time.  Paul actually wrote 'Woman' but credited the song under a pseudonym, Bernard Webb to see if he could write a hit without anybody knowing it was him, of course the song was very successful.  The arrangement strongly resembles the work on 'The Family Way' and while not quite as diverse musically as George Harrison's 'Wonderwall' LP, it very effectively reflects the spirit of the times (Fall 1966) which would later become known in history as 'Swinging London'.  While 'Electronic Sound' may indeed, as 'Zapple' intended, be "disposable", George & Paul's first solo works discussed here are a must have for any Beatle fan looking to add more Technicolor to their music library...:-)   

27 December 2013
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In the Beatles Monthly at the time of the White Album release……….Eric Clapton's contribution to WMGGW was 'hidden' by an obscure reference to 'Eddie Clayton'. Something along the lines of, "Great guitar played on this new track of Georges by Eddie Clayton……Not the Eddie Clayton from Liverpool, another Eddie Clayton. "

 

I'm betting it's Clapton again here.

27 December 2013
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Yeah, many believe that it was in fact Eric Clapton on the record, possibly because he was under contract to a different label?  The guitar does sound like him too, interesting that Eddie Clayton's name would be chosen for the pseudonym though, for we all know of him from the old Eddie Clayton Skiffle Group of the 1950s.  Jackie Lomax, who recorded George's 'Sour Milk Sea' for his 1968 Apple album, was also someone George knew from those days as well...:-)

27 December 2013
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First EC that popped into George's head I suppose.

2 January 2014
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SirFrankieCrisp said
Electronic Sound is really horrible in my opinion, I was able to grab a vinyl copy of it for 50 cents however.

Wonderwall is pretty cool, great for a nice run through listen on a road trip. It was also a soundtrack as well.

Yes, I just got to Wonderwall last week and quite enjoyed it.  It is all over the place stylistically (must be an odd movie) but has some interesting Indian music and a catchy tune or three.

 

9 January 2014
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SirFrankieCrisp said
Electronic Sound is really horrible in my opinion, I was able to grab a vinyl copy of it for 50 cents however.

Wonderwall is pretty cool, great for a nice run through listen on a road trip. It was also a soundtrack as well.

 

Just got to Electronic Sound and I agree, it is my new candidate for most tedious album with a Beatle name attached - I think 50 cents is too much.  It sounds like nothing more than an amateurish collection of 1960s Doctor Who reject sound effects.  This is the first time ever I thought I could do better than a Beatle, I had an early synth and made a lot more interesting tapes than this.  At times I almost wished there was a shriek or three from Yoko to liven things up :)

I always listen to any new album at least twice, I am really dreading hearing this one again.

9 January 2014
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Oh, and Billy R - thanks for the great analysis.  I agree completely that Wonderwall and Family Way are essential for fans of the two Beatles concerned, the former especially - it needs to be back in print.

re the Krause thing - I'm stunned that anyone would want to claim 'credit' for it :)

21 January 2014
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Billy is right, George did rip-off Electronic Sounds by secretly recording the two Moog engineers while they demonstrated to him something they'd written. They did even sue him later on but I think he just paid them to go away and kept the publishing for it. A pretty unsavory bit in George's "pious" life...it's discussed in detail in the new bio on George (reviewed on my site here if anyone is interested: http://rnrchemist.blogspot.com.....ehind.html). It's pretty shameful on his part, no question.

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21 January 2014
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DrBeatle said
Billy is right, George did rip-off Electronic Sounds by secretly recording the two Moog engineers while they demonstrated to him something they'd written. They did even sue him later on but I think he just paid them to go away and kept the publishing for it. A pretty unsavory bit in George's "pious" life...it's discussed in detail in the new bio on George (reviewed on my site here if anyone is interested: http://rnrchemist.blogspot.com.....ehind.html). It's pretty shameful on his part, no question.

Thanks DrB - that is interesting.  I hope it didn't cost him more than 5 pounds ten or he paid over the money :)

 

22 January 2014
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Haha, I'm sure he settled for a bit more than that :P The sad thing is when the guys he ripped off mention how they lost a ton of respect for him, even though they were massive Beatles fans. I can totally understand why they did, though.

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18 February 2014
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FYI, A collector's edition of Wonderwall will be released on DVD and Blu-Ray March 25. [x-posted to the news thread]

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18 February 2014
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When Electronic Sounds was reissued George commented on the album sleeve "avant garde clue".  I think it was George who said the avant garde was French for b@llsh#t.  In this case he was  spot on.

24 March 2014
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I thought that since both of these albums were available (for now that is!) on the BoobTube that I'd post them here for those who may yet not have heard them:

 

 

 

And, for a bit of a taste on what the 'Wonderwall' film looks like, here's a trailer:

 

 

Enjoy 'em while they last...:-)

24 March 2014
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trcanberra said
I agree completely that Wonderwall and Family Way are essential for fans of the two Beatles concerned, the former especially - it needs to be back in print.
 

It's another that's currently available for listen to on The Tube:

 

 

Fall 1966 is an interesting period in their history, which would see Paul (surprise, surprise) as being the most musically productive, not that John writing 'Strawberry Fields Forever' or George receiving Sitar lessons from Ravi Shankar in India is to be so easily dismissed.  I'd be very curious to hear/read more about what Ringo was up to during this period, he did visit John in Spain briefly during the filming of 'How I Won The War', but other than spending some more quality time at home with Maureen & Zak there's not a whole lot else said about "Ringo - Fall 1966"...:-)

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Didn't realise Wonderwall was due for a re-release on the 25th March (Parlance posted the news above back when), only reminded thru this new review of the film by Examiner.

I only remember the film thru it featuring in the Scorsese LITMW documentary and looking incredibly strange and colourful.

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26 March 2014
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meanmistermustard said
Didn't realise Wonderwall was due for a re-release on the 25th March (Parlance posted the news above back when), only reminded thru this new review of the film by Examiner.

I only remember the film thru it featuring in the Scorsese LITMW documentary and looking incredibly strange and colourful.

 

I find this bit  "The Collector’s Edition of Wonderwall includes both the original theatrical version of the flick and a director’s cut that features additional music from Harrison’s score"  interesting, wonder if the "additional music" will become available on a separate audio disc?  'Wonderwall' outtakes would be grand, I really dig this album...:-)

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