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Why is George under-appreciated?
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9 February 2012
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Quite simple. Stacked up against the greatest songwriting duo of all time, even God himself would be overshadowed.a-hard-days-night-george-4

10 February 2012
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OT( I suppose)

Well, I do care about Stu! I think about him so much it's almost unhealthy. But it's true that not many people know him, even amongst Beatles fans. He didn't really have a major contribution to their music, and he left the band quite soon. His influence had more to do with their style and of course, the band's name. His painting career was very short as well, and since I hardly know a thing about painting I can't tell if he's extraordinarily good or not. Some of his pencil drawings are great though. I think think it's unrealistic to think that he would be worshipped as the greatest modernist when he had just begun; the reason he is famous to the degree he is today is probably because of his collaboration with the Beatles, and sadly, his untimely death.

But, about George. I'm kind of surprised reading this thread, since all the people I have met never talk Ringo yet sometimes do about George. And Ringo was also the last name of the Beatles I memorized; perhaps because John and George had died and legendized adn Paul, well, it's impossible not to know him.

And as to why he is underappreciated... Well, most of his music is kind of hard to approach and some of it "ranty", too. Common people don't listen music for great guitar riffs ( I do, neither) but instead focus on beautiful melodies and vocals. That is probably the reason why Here Comes The Sun is his most popular song: it's easy to approach.

I have been puzzled for quite some time now why he was dubbed the quiet one: if I'm not mistaken, during the Beatles Ringo spoke less than him. It might be that I'm biased because of the interviews I have seen, but that's the impression I've got.

19 February 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said

(And I don't mean by you guys - just the general population)

I think most of you would admit that George is under-appreciated. When people think of the Beatles, they normally say, "John, Paul, Ringo, and whatever that last guys name is." Why?

 

The older I get, (61 this year) the more I think George was the most 'interesting' of the Beatles. Yes, John and Paul wrote more, and better songs (tho' Frank Sinatra is supposed to have described 'Something' as not only one of the greatest love songs ever written, but also one of John and Paul's best!). Yes, John had one of the greatest voices in rock n roll. And yes, Paul was a multi-talented instrumentalist. But it was George who introduced the exotic sounds of India into the band's music and turned them on to eastern philosophy and religeons. And he was experimenting with gadgets such as the swell pedal ('Yes It Is&#39a-hard-days-night-george-10, and the fuzz box ('Think For Yourself&#39a-hard-days-night-george-10 before 'serious' rock guitarists began using them in their acts. All in all, I reckon his influence on the band's music was just as important in its own way as that of John and Paul; just subtler, less immediately obvious. I was deeply saddened when I learned of his passing.

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sandancer1951 said

mr. Sun king coming together said

(And I don't mean by you guys - just the general population)

I think most of you would admit that George is under-appreciated. When people think of the Beatles, they normally say, "John, Paul, Ringo, and whatever that last guys name is." Why?

 

The older I get, (61 this year) the more I think George was the most 'interesting' of the Beatles. Yes, John and Paul wrote more, and better songs (tho' Frank Sinatra is supposed to have described 'Something' as not only one of the greatest love songs ever written, but also one of John and Paul's best!). Yes, John had one of the greatest voices in rock n roll. And yes, Paul was a multi-talented instrumentalist. But it was George who introduced the exotic sounds of India into the band's music and turned them on to eastern philosophy and religeons. And he was experimenting with gadgets such as the swell pedal ('Yes It Is&#39a-hard-days-night-george-10, and the fuzz box ('Think For Yourself&#39a-hard-days-night-george-10 before 'serious' rock guitarists began using them in their acts. All in all, I reckon his influence on the band's music was just as important in its own way as that of John and Paul; just subtler, less immediately obvious. I was deeply saddened when I learned of his passing.

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I have to agree with you that George was the most interesting. I have always said that they are all very talented but George was the most innovative Beatle. Between his backwards guitar process, 12 string guitar and introducing the eastern flavor to the music, I feel this was very important to the sound they achieved especially from Revolver up. Yes John and Paul did write the most songs but George always had a major impact especially in Lennon's songs in which he would let George be creative within the song writing process which is probably why I like Lennon's songs the most in the Beatles. I have said this before, George will never be as popular as McCartney because he didn't play the game, he didn't care about being famous and he wanted his privacy. Spirituality and mysticism was very important to him. George once said that to be famous, you had to be a show off. He just wasn't in to that and always wanted to write songs that would hold up the test and that would have meaning years from now.  

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mr. Sun king coming together said

But Harrison only started writing because of Lennon/McCartney, and he only got better because he was around L&M. So to say "if he was in another band…" is impossible because he wouldn't have started writing unless he got the push to be Lennon or McCartney, in that he could write as well as them.

Lennon and McCartney started writing songs in 1958 when they connected so had a few years on George. Harrison wrote his first song with lyrics (not including 'Cry For A Shadow&#39a-hard-days-night-george-10 in 1963 with 'Don't Bother Me' as an exercise to see if he could write a song. He has also been quoted as saying that John and Paul got all there bad songs out of the way before they started writing some great tunes so had a head start. He has said in interviews that he felt if John & Paul could write, so could he. I think in the early days, his focus was on the lead guitar parts of the songs and was okay with singing an occasional song and did sing back up in a lot of the early songs. It wasn't until the later years where he felt the pressure of not getting his songs on the albums. I love Lennon/McCartney songs but it would have been interesting if some of the songs he did on ATMP would have made it onto the Beatles albums. There are some L&M songs I could live without and feel some of those ATMP songs would have been a nice fit. 

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He always limited himself with his voice, especially compared to Paul or even John. The apparent highest note he has is in an outtake, B4; I'm pretty sure he's hit higher notes, in studio in harmonies or live those few times he did scream.

As for George being under-appreciated  the amount of material on All Things Must Pass in addition to the amount of songs they limited him to per record within itself proves he was. His own wife opened her fat mouth about how much she loved Wild Honey Pie, which ended up making the album over an array of songs, of which Not Guilty was a choice. If the song had been a bit more polished, it would have been an excellent addition to the White Album. I believe his long sitar kick which contributed to the lack of songwriting (the one song on Sgt Pepper as well as MMT) during the Paul-prominent period (1967). Once he got back to it he was writing greats like While My Guitar Gently Weeps, and songs not as well known but still good. The problem is, people probably didn't tell the difference between them and thought John or Paul sang all his songs if they weren't true fans. 

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Something, or someone, can be inferior while still being great.  All it means is that his greatness doesn't quite measure up to someone else's.

 

Ergo, George, vis-à-vis Paul and John.

 

Was that so difficult?

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