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3.09am
3 September 2012
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I was listening to an early demo of "I'll Follow The Sun" on YouTube, and I looked in to the comments for the arguments that were happening (because there always is one), and people were saying George was lucky to play with John and Paul. I don't know where people get this stuff from.. I basically said to them that it is understandable not to compare him to the best, but nobody ever really compares him to John, and Paul's guitar work from 65-69 in itself wasn't enough in quantity or versatility to compare very well..
I'd like to ask how any of you feel about this.. I want to know where people get this from, from the point of view of someone who isn't as biased.
6.19am
20 December 2010
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First of all, everyone is going to have their opinion. I have rocked the boat a few times on this site with some of my comments about George being the most talented Beatle. Again, this is my opinion and to me, he is the most talented and innovative of the four but for someone else, John, Paul or Ringo may be the most talented to them and their favorite. I have always stood by with my opinion that George was an excellent song writer and guitarist. I have mentioned this before in some other threads that George had a lot to do with the Lennon songs more then in the McCartney songs. Lennon would usually let him help and give him the freedom to add whatever contribution that he would like to his songs where McCartney had more of an idea and wanted the instruments to follow his direction.
It doesn't matter what anyone say's or writes. All that matters is who you like and why you like them. George will never be considered an equal to Lennon and McCartney due to the number of hits and songs that they put together in the 60's but I have always felt that Harrison had a lot of talent which came out in the later years and I am very happy that in last few years he has been getting a lot of attention.
12.12pm
16 August 2012
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Never pay attention to the YouTube comments. A good 95% of them are just idiotic anyway.
I think the easiest rebuttal is that the Beatles were 4 separate and distinct people, and no matter how much more talented any one of them was than any other, the whole will always be greater than the sum of its parts.
12.52pm
19 September 2010
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If George was lucky to be playing with J&P, when why did J&P keep him in the band? I mean, they had no qualms about firing Pete Best, so why not George? Obviously, because they knew he was good. Damn good.
And yes, YouTube comments are stupid. But hilariously so.
1.55pm
1 May 2011
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If you want to look at it in a perverse, screwed up manner then John was lucky to play with Paul, Ringo was lucky to join the band and they were lucky to find George Martin. It depends on the holders point of view; remember all the garbage about Ringo not being a good drummer and using one of Johns quotes to back it up ("Ringo was not even the best drummer in The Beatles") (does anyone know the context of that quote?).
Also if you read enough comments on a beatles video on youtube you'll read that Paul was little more than a hack who only ever wrote anything decent if John (The Great) helped with 80% of it and whose whole solo career was schmaltzy bubblegum garbage.
When it comes down to it dont take any notice of whats written on youtube.
3.14pm
3 September 2012
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I meant to add something about how I know it's YOUTUBE after all, but I guess I cut it out or something. I'm just glad he gets credit elsewhere. Thanks, everyone.
3.59pm
9 May 2012
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meanmistermustard said
If you want to look at it in a perverse, screwed up manner then John was lucky to play with Paul, Ringo was lucky to join the band and they were lucky to find George Martin. It depends on the holders point of view; remember all the garbage about Ringo not being a good drummer and using one of Johns quotes to back it up ("Ringo was not even the best drummer in The Beatles") (does anyone know the context of that quote?).
He was joking as Paul played drums on The Ballad of John and Yoko.
As if he was lucky, well they were all lucky to be part of that band. I do prefer John and Paul, but George wrote one (couple that is) of best Beatles songs, he was great guitar player etc… so he was lucky but also proved himself worthy of that place in the group.
9.52pm
1 May 2011
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Long John Silver said
meanmistermustard said
If you want to look at it in a perverse, screwed up manner then John was lucky to play with Paul, Ringo was lucky to join the band and they were lucky to find George Martin. It depends on the holders point of view; remember all the garbage about Ringo not being a good drummer and using one of Johns quotes to back it up ("Ringo was not even the best drummer in The Beatles") (does anyone know the context of that quote?).He was joking as Paul played drums on The Ballad of John and Yoko.
I know that John was joking, was more that i always see that quote as 'evidence' for Ringo being not good but have never seen the quote in context.
1.00am
26 July 2011
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meanmistermustard said
When it comes down to it dont take any notice of whats written on youtube.
Definitely agree -- there are a couple of posters on YouTube (it may be the same guy with two different profiles) who seem to devote all their time going from one video to another trashing Harrison, and claiming how he was basically a bum who didn't know how lucky he was to be sandwiched in between Lennon & McCartney (which is basically what author Philip Norman wrote in his overpraised SHOUT). I figure they/he must think an awful lot of George to spend so much time and effort. For myself, I think George's work speaks for itself -- both with the Beatles and after.
3.47pm
14 December 2009
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They were ALL lucky in their own way – see the "What makes the Beatles the greatest?" thread. (Ringo was the luckiest.)
And yeah, LOL Youtube commenters!
12.53pm
25 August 2012
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The main thing that set George back is that, unlike John and Paul, he initially had no ambitions to do anything other than to sing and play guitar for the group. By the time he finally decided to try his hand at writing his own songs, John and Paul had already progressed so far that he was left in the dust. He didn't remotely start closing the gap until '68-'70 (his most prolific period). I only wish John and Paul would have allowed him more than just his usual 'one song per side' -- I'd have loved to have seen some of those All Things Must Pass tracks on a Beatles album. 
1.43pm
27 April 2012
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It's been said by some that George "fit in" with John and Paul, as Pete B. did not and Ringo also did, so in the early days, perhaps that was as important as anything else. And George continued to improve on guitar and as a musician/songwriter as the years went by. I can't imagine thinking of him as "lucky", other than perhaps at the start when John grudgingly allowed him into the band, even though he was so young. Once he was in, he was in.
By the time Paul played drums on "Ballad of…", John was complaining about everything and everybody, making comments about wanting to ask Clapton to replace George, etc…his behavior was ruled by drugs then, in my opinion, and he was in a phase where he wanted to hurt people.
In any case, George's post-Beatles career started off with a bang, better than Paul's or John's (in my opinion, anyway.) He proved his worth almost instantly and made a lot of people wonder why P&J kept him silenced all of those years.
12.53am
9 June 2010
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mr. Sun king coming together said
And yes, YouTube comments are stupid. But hilariously so.
Mind if I sig that? 
mr. Sun king coming together said And yes, YouTube comments are stupid. But hilariously so.
1.03am
19 September 2010
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Go right ahead. You can drop the Mr. Sun king… stuff as well.
1.12am
9 June 2010
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Heh, I'm keeping the quote. If only I could link to the post in question in my sig, like I can on another forum I frequent.
mr. Sun king coming together said And yes, YouTube comments are stupid. But hilariously so.
2.10am
19 September 2010
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Drop the whole "Mr. Sun King Coming Together said" thing.
5.14pm
4 December 2010
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George was lucky to play with two supremely talented songwriters, but equally Paul was lucky he had a friend who was a great guitarist and John and Paul were both lucky to meet each other.
6.40pm
20 December 2010
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The Walrus said
George was lucky to play with two supremely talented songwriters, but equally Paul was lucky he had a friend who was a great guitarist and John and Paul were both lucky to meet each other.
Perfectly said…
5.58pm
3 October 2012
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George was a great guitarist, but didn't really have a chance to stretch out in the Beatles…He has stated this many times, especially toward the end…For the early Beatles, check out the solos on 'Til There Was You', both 'With the Beatles and BBC…He only had maybe 8/16 bars to say what he had to say…'I Saw Her Standing There' another good one, and remember that the Gretsch Country Gentleman doesn't have the sustain of a Les Paul or even Tele unless you bump it through a Marshall or an amp like that.
The famous argument between him & Paul over playing on 'Hey Jude' lends some insight: Ever hear the Wilson Pickett recording of 'Hey Jude' with Duane Allman on lead?…Well, I believe George wanted to do something like this on the song, and you can hear how Allman's guitar adds to the song!
'Old Brown Shoe' gives a hint of what Harrison was hearing in the post Clapton/Hendrix school of lead playing…In any case, his playing is excellent as it stands….Plus, he shines on 'Abbey Road', electric and acoustic.
6.16pm
20 December 2010
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frankdialogue said
George was a great guitarist, but didn't really have a chance to stretch out in the Beatles…He has stated this many times, especially toward the end…For the early Beatles, check out the solos on 'Til There Was You', both 'With the Beatles and BBC…He only had maybe 8/16 bars to say what he had to say…'I Saw Her Standing There' another good one, and remember that the Gretsch Country Gentleman doesn't have the sustain of a Les Paul or even Tele unless you bump it through a Marshall or an amp like that.
The famous argument between him & Paul over playing on 'Hey Jude' lends some insight: Ever hear the Wilson Pickett recording of 'Hey Jude' with Duane Allman on lead?…Well, I believe George wanted to do something like this on the song, and you can hear how Allman's guitar adds to the song!
'Old Brown Shoe' gives a hint of what Harrison was hearing in the post Clapton/Hendrix school of lead playing…In any case, his playing is excellent as it stands….Plus, he shines on 'Abbey Road', electric and acoustic.
George was an excellent guitarist. I have said this many times on these blogs. He was very underrated do to his lack of flashiness and lack of ripping out fast solos. His strength was playing to the songs and adding just what they needed like adding icing to a cake or a few ingredients to make it sound better.
George for me was a major force in The Beatles, standing between two huge egos and was kind of a calming factor being the humble one. I love a lot of his older solos from 1962 to 1966 when he played the Gretch Country Gentleman and Tennessean.
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