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George Harrison Most Talented Beatle?
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meanmistermustard said
I think its incredibly unfair on George to measure him up against what John and Paul wrote during the time of the Beatles, especially in quantity. Within You, Without You is so much heavier in terms of content and lyrics than anything Paul wrote on Pepper possibly with the exception of "I'd love to turn you on" from
A Day In The Life. The songs George wrote during the White Album period are just as good as most of what John and Paul wrote and the same can be said for Revolver and Abbey Road, Something and Here Comes The Sun being two of the best tracks on that release. And not everything John and Paul wrote pre-Revolver was immense so you cant throw that at George.

As for solo is Johns catalogue that much better than George's? Most people say yes but when asked for examples theyve only heard All Things Must Pass and if anything a selection of 'hits', much else is based on the preconception as written in the press that theyre dull, dreary and uninspired which, to be polite, is complete bollocks. John's preconception is that he was amazing and his solo work is incredible, outside of Imagine, POB but do many other albums hold up as being classics? Thats not meant to be an attack on John, im a huge fan of Johns solo work, there is a heck of a lot of great music that pass folks by, but the same is true for George. The same as not everything Paul has released is mindblowing, there are many tracks that dont stand up to the standards Paul has set (tho Paul deserves far more credit for his catalogue than many are willing to give).

 

I agree with all of this. It's not fair to compare what George did during The Beatles to John and Paul because they started earlier, were able to help each other, had all of George Martin's attention and were allowed as many takes as they needed. George was pretty much on his own aside from getting the odd bit of advice, and it seems like his lack of songs had more to do with their egos than his songwriting ability, as was made evident by All Things Must Pass (the album) and Sour Milk Sea.

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You think John is better than Paul, but they are equals. That would all be an opinion, even saying they're equally talented is an opinion.

John and George's solo careers are pretty equal, but I think I like George's more, because I really only like half of Some Time In New York City, Double Fantasy and Milk And Honey. Also, George put out All Things Must Pass, and Living In The Material World, which are pretty fantastic albums, I should say.

Of course it is an opinion, but generally accepted opinion. Do you ever hear someone appreciate George more than John or Paul by musical critics, general audience? Lennon/McCartney is the most successful musical partnership, and that is a fact.  Someone can think Beatles suck, and that is opinion, but is it generally accepted opinion? Definitely not. I like George and I think he was very talented musician, but I couldn't never compare him to John or Paul. 

 

So by half you mean when you take off Yoko from the album :D .

 

 

meanmistermustard said 

Why isnt Rock and Roll an album?

I agree that John had a good output but Mind Games, Walls And Bridges, Rock and Roll and half of Double Fantasy are equal to what George put out in Thirty Three and 1/3, Brainwashed, George Harrison, Living In The Material World and Somewhere In England. Gone Troppo has its highlights too (Wake Up My Love, Thats The way It Goes, I Really Love You, Mystical One, and the title track) and i havent heard Dark Horse or Extra Texture in a good while because they arent commercially available. Cloud 9 and All Things Must Pass are an equal match with Imagine and POB.

 

 

Because those are cover of old rock n roll songs. As for comparing Imagine and POB to Cloud 9 and ATMP, it once again comes to personal preference  but songs like Working Class Hero, Imagine, Look At Me, Jealous Guy, Isolation, Mind Games, Woman, Love, Out of Blue, Nobody Loves You, Watching The Wheels etc... to me personally they just can't be compared, but of course we all have different taste.

 

 

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Long John Silver said

unknown said 

You think John is better than Paul, but they are equals. That would all be an opinion, even saying they're equally talented is an opinion.

John and George's solo careers are pretty equal, but I think I like George's more, because I really only like half of Some Time In New York City, Double Fantasy and Milk And Honey. Also, George put out All Things Must Pass, and Living In The Material World, which are pretty fantastic albums, I should say.

Of course it is an opinion, but generally accepted opinion. Do you ever hear someone appreciate George more than John or Paul by musical critics, general audience? Lennon/McCartney is the most successful musical partnership, and that is a fact.  Someone can think Beatles suck, and that is opinion, but is it generally accepted opinion? Definitely not. I like George and I think he was very talented musician, but I couldn't never compare him to John or Paul. 

So by half you mean when you take off Yoko from the album :D .

Pretty much, yeah. The only exception is Luck of the Irish, I like her voice for that song.

 

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George is not the most talented, but he's by far the biggest improvement. There's no way you can forecast that the guy struggling on the first 2 albums is the same guy who composed and sang While My Guitar, Something, Here Comes The Sun, and displayed such a masterful musicianship in the 68-69 period. However, the most talented all-around is Paul.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I think exactly the same can be said for Paul and Ringo. Paul's bass playing was astounding by '66, as he went about changing the role of bass from part of the rhythm track to a lead instrument. And Ringo was doing things like Tomorrow Never Knows and Rain which still drop the jaw. John, as a guitarist, was perhaps the one to improve least over the years.

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The eggman said

fabfouremily said
^^ I disagree with something you've said, I've always thought that Paul was the one who had the most variety. He's covered almost every type of music out there, if you include his solo efforts too. John could be quite flexible too but not as much as Paul, I don't think. If you look at John's solo catalogue, what do you find? Variety? I don't.

 

                I was talking about the Beatles. But anyway, Paul never wrote experimental songs as good as "SFF" or "I Am The Walrus". Maybe I´m mistaken bc I never heard his whole solo career. If I am mistaken, please let me now and tell me about that Paul solo songs. I´m really interested.

You don't think Paul experimented with a wide range of styles in the Beatles? Seriously? On the White Album alone he has Beach Boys/Chuck Berry rock and roll pastiche (Back In The USSR), ska (Ob-La-Di), acoustic folk (Blackbird, Mother Nature's Son, I Will), baroque pop (Martha My Dear), blues (Why Don't We Do It In The Road?), country (Rocky Raccoon), experimental (Wild Honey Pie) garage rock (Birthday), proto heavy metal (Helter Skelter) and 30s music hall (Honey Pie). In fact, I'm hard pressed to think of another album where one songwriter tackles so many genres. And that's just one album!

I agree with you that Paul never wrote an experimental song as good as Strawberry Fields or Walrus, but there's tons and tons of experimentation in his solo career.

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^^ And he was responsible for the tape loops in Tomorrow Never Knows. He didn't write the song, but in the spirit of experimenting, he helped pushed some songs further than they would have gone.

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...making John paranoid that it was always HIS songs that were being experimented on. ("A Day In The Life", "Across The Universe")

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The eggman said

But anyway, Paul never wrote experimental songs as good as "SFF" or "I Am The Walrus". 

I agree, but then John never did again, either. His solo career was not particularly innovative or diverse, musically. The Beatles' experimental peak ("Tomorrow Never Knows," "A Day In The Life," "Blue Jay Way," plus "Walrus" and "SFF") was very much a collaborative effort between the Beatles, George Martin, and even Geoff Emerick. There was a really magical chemistry at work there (also the Beatles were in their twenties, often the peak decade for pop artists). Paul often did his best basslines for George or John songs, and similarly I think John's songs, by virtue of their oddball lyrics and John's indecision about how to produce them, lent Paul the perfect opportunity to exercise his experimental side. He's shown that side consistently throughout his solo career (McCartney II, The Fireman, the general imaginativeness of his arrangements), though never again to such great effect (because again, he wasn't working within that magical collaboration). If we only had the Beatles catalogue to look at, it would make sense to argue that John was more experimental than Paul, but when you take their solo years into account, the argument doesn't really stand up, IMO.

Von Bontree said

…making John paranoid that it was always HIS songs that were being experimented on. ("A Day In The Life", "Across The Universe")

Yes, good old "you can't win for losing" John, lol. "Paul was too square and nitpicky!" 5 minutes later... "Paul was too loose and experimental!" 

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