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George don't like Sgt Pepper !
15 July 2014
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I just saw an interview in which George said he was more interested in Indian Music and didn't like Sgt Pepper 'cause he had a very little involvement in the project. Yup he's right Lennon-McCartney and Starr too contributed more and Paul played Lead Guitar on many songs. I wonder if he don't like album for little involvement or it didn't sound good to him. Oh and also if George left the band after Sgt Pepper do you think Beatles would continue with another musician or session musician, I think they would go without him  

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I think Beatles wouldn't have remained The Beatles had George left. As I understand the band would have only continued had everyone stayed. They continually dismissed the notion of regrouping after John's death as mentioned here

"According to Harrison, they had always agreed that if one of them wasn't in the band, the others would never replace them and, "… go out as the Beatles", and that the "only other person that could be in it was John.""

EDIT: The link didn't open when I tried after posting it so here's the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_as_a_Bird.

But Free As A Bird and Real Love are exceptions given the context.

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When George left during the Get Back sessions, John almost immediately suggested getting Eric Clapton in, but I don't think George would've been replaced as Paul and Ringo were against the idea. I get the impression Paul viewed The Beatles as a family which could only ever be "John, Paul, George and Ringo", whereas John saw it more as an entity where members could come and go. 

This is a quote from a transcript of the Get Back sessions when George left:

JOHN: If we want him, because we want him – but the thing is, like George said, it’s that The Beatles, to me, isn’t just limited to the four of us. I think that I, alone, could be a Beatle. [to Paul] I think you could. [to Ringo] I’m not sure whether you could, because you’re doing… Well, like, but I’m just telling you what I think! I don’t think The Beatles revolve around the four people! It might be like a job

PAUL: But you know what, John, I’ll tell you one thing—

JOHN: [to Ringo] It’s like you joining the band instead of Pete. It’s like – to me, it is like that.

From Doug Sulpy's book: In response, Paul points out there there’s always been a pecking order within the group – that John’s always been the leader, with Paul secondary, and George third. John begins to interject, but Paul stops him, and says that George is correct – and that he and John have connived against him, however innocent their intentions, to keep the status quo. John agrees, and says George has been aware of his conniving since he was fourteen, when they attended Dovedale School together. He feels regret at treating George the way he does, but explains that such behavior is a facet of his personality that he’s tried to keep under control – sometimes going too far in the other direction in accommodating George.

As for Sgt. Pepper, I think the answer is a combination of the two. The less involvement he had in the songs, the more boring of an experience it was for him, which I think is why he generally tended to prefer John's songs. At the same time though, I personally agree with him that several songs on Sgt. Pepper are average (for the Beatles). For what it's worth, he did love She's Leaving Home, A Day In The Life and Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds.

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bewareofchairs said 

As for Sgt. Pepper, I think the answer is a combination of the two. The less involvement he had in the songs, the more boring of an experience it was for him, which I think is why he generally tended to prefer John's songs. At the same time though, I personally agree with him that several songs on Sgt. Pepper are average (for the Beatles). For what it's worth, he did love She's Leaving Home, A Day In The Life and Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds.

THANK YOU!!!  Finally, someone else on these boards who agrees with me on this sentiment!  a-hard-days-night-george-10  And for me, it's largely because of Paul's songs (and, alas, 8 of the 13 were his).  To use my baseball analogy again, it's the only Beatles album (Yellow Submarine notwithstanding) to which I feel he did NOT contribute at least one bona fide home run of a song.  The title track and its reprise are doubles at the most; the rest are mere base hits.  I really wish "Only A Northern Song" had ended up on the album instead of either "Getting Better," "Fixing a Hole," "She's Leaving Home," or "Lovely Rita" (with "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" replacing 2 of the others).

I feel around this time is when John and Paul started subconsciously ganging up on George songwriting-wise, and seeing his songs no longer as a means of filling out an album when they themselves didn't have enough songs, but more as a lip service for the group's albums, not unlike Ringo's vocal spots.  a-hard-days-night-paul-4

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Duke_of_Kirkcaldy said

THANK YOU!!!  Finally, someone else on these boards who agrees with me on this sentiment!  a-hard-days-night-george-10  And for me, it's largely because of Paul's songs (and, alas, 8 of the 13 were his). 

Funny, I feel the opposite – that the more "average" songs on the album were John's.

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parlance said 
Funny, I feel the opposite – that the more "average" songs on the album were John's.

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It definitely seems as though John was running low on inspiration during this period, considering a) this was the first album for which he didn't match (if not exceed) Paul's number of songs contributed, and b) that the songs he DID ultimately contribute were all inspired by rather mundane things, be it a couple of newspaper headlines ("A Day In The Life"), a vintage circus poster seen in a shop ("Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!"), a breakfast cereal commercial ("Good Morning, Good Morning"), or a picture drawn by his son ("Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds").  Still, I feel the group did a far better job at 'dressing up' John's songs than they did Paul's.

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We can all disagree about the songs here……

 

All I can say is that the songs that stood out (to me) were mostly John's…..I would walk round Carnaby St boutiques pretending to shop……But really just to listen to SP and walking out after LITSWD had played and popping into the next one in the hope of hearing that track again or DITL.

Not a fan of 'Kite' but it stood out……Loved 'Good Morning' for the time signature, dogs and such and Paul's guitar break.

Of George's stand-out 'Within You'…. it took some listening to. Nothing like it in my experience at the time….But the effort paid off and it grew….Together with Paul's beautifully sad and evocative SLH and I thought the rest of his songs were up to snuff. When after a month I bought the Album…..I played it over and over until I knew every note and word…..

Even our teachers would bring it to class to discuss….. For the first time it seemed to me our generation was being taken seriously and garnering respect. They'd come from mop-top to this?? How?

George Martin regretted putting out Penny Lane/ Strawberry fields as a single….Maybe? But I wouldn't change a thing…..That double A side prepared us a little for the shift that would come next Summer.

SP was of it's time…….Only in that sense is it timeless. It's impact in '67 was staggering……. It was like discovering a new colour. 

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I just saw an interview in which George said he was more interested in Indian Music and didn't like Sgt Pepper 'cause he had a very little involvement in the project. Yup he's right Lennon-McCartney and Starr too contributed more and Paul played Lead Guitar on many songs. I wonder if he don't like album for little involvement or it didn't sound good to him. Oh and also if George left the band after Sgt Pepper do you think Beatles would continue with another musician or session musician, I think they would go without him  

I think they would have continued without George since they stopped touring, and Paul could play a killer lead guitar.  But either way, their demise was eminent.  a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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As far as i'm concerned if one of them had left the band would have split, be it in '64, '67 or '70. It was more than just getting another person in to play a bit of guitar or one of the others do it. 

If one was going to leave then, for me, it would have been before Pepper not afterwards. There is the very brief interview with George outside EMI in November 1966 where he is asked about leaving the Beatles and he replies "no! definitely not" (2:30 in the video below). 

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He liked it enough to needle Dhani with it!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fUtw0wkZR8k

 

Sorry for for the link…  Can't seem to get it embedded properly 

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For some reason I think that George didn't like Sgt. Pepper because Only A Northern Song was rejected. And I think the other Beatles rejected it because it was a protest against them and they didn't like that. What do you think?

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I think George's songs were always a struggle for him regarding album space. That would never have changed. The Lennon/McCartney team were a proven success and fans expected to hear songs by that song writing team. (If it's not broke, don't fix it)

'Only A Northern Song' would have been a nice fit for the album's psychedelic theme but I do like 'Within You' more. I think George was trying to say that Northern Songs was ripping them off and since they did not own their own songs had no choice back then.

George didn't like Pepper do to his interest in India, the Sitar and his new found meditation that him and Patty were involved in. I think he just needed a break with all he was going through at that time. I remember him saying right after they boarded the plane from San Francisco after the last live show in '66 that he was quoted as saying "Well I guess I'm not a Beatle anymore' He found new interests and they did not include being a Mop Top anymore.

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Hey I stumbled upon The Doors facebook post! Interestingly this is what the post says:

“The Soft Parade” was released today in 1969. While recording, they were visited by George Harrison, who commented that the session had a similar “complexity required for the Sgt. Pepper recordings”.

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Inner Light said
I think George's songs were always a struggle for him regarding album space. That would never have changed. The Lennon/McCartney team were a proven success and fans expected to hear songs by that song writing team. (If it's not broke, don't fix it)

Granted, by '66, the Lennon/McCartney 'team' was largely a façade, since both of them were almost exclusively writing on their own by then (with only occasional input from one another).  But I do think early on John and Paul were grateful for George's songwriting contributions.  After all, they would've been much harder pressed to have filled out Help!, Rubber Soul and Revolver without them, since they didn't have any other songs in the can at the time of each of those albums' respective sessions.  But when the group exclusively became a studio act in late '66, and Paul suddenly became more prolific in his songwriting (which has continued to this day), along with his and John's egos getting in the way, George's contributions to each of the group's albums began looking more and more like mere lip service.  George's early status as the #3 man in the group didn't help either, despite the fact that, by the time the group started recording the White Album, he had become almost as prolific and as capable a songwriter as both John and Paul.  Really, at that point, the group hierarchy should've been completely thrown out (especially since Paul had pretty much fully usurped John as the group's de facto leader by then) and John, Paul and George should've all been on the exact same level.

'Only A Northern Song' would have been a nice fit for the album's psychedelic theme but I do like 'Within You' more. I think George was trying to say that Northern Songs was ripping them off and since they did not own their own songs had no choice back then.

I personally otherwise find no reason "Northern Song" AND "Within You" couldn't have both ended up on Sgt. Pepper, especially considering Paul's lesser contributions.  The most schizophrenic thing about the album for me is how psychedelic both John's and George's songs are, and how decidedly UNpsychedelic Paul's songs are (his guitar lines on the title track and its reprise being the only remotely trippy-sounding things on his songs).  "With a Little Help from My Friends" and "When I'm Sixty-Four" are both simple Music Hall throwbacks; "She's Leaving Home" is like a more maudlin attempted companion piece to "Eleanor Rigby;" "Getting Better," "Fixing A Hole" and "Lovely Rita" are all standard second-tier Paul songs, à la "What You're Doing," "Tell Me What You See," "Rocky Raccoon," etc.

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Duke_of_Kirkcaldy said 

I personally otherwise find no reason "Northern Song" AND "Within You" couldn't have both ended up on Sgt. Pepper, especially considering Paul's lesser contributions.  The most schizophrenic thing about the album for me is how psychedelic both John's and George's songs are, and how decidedly UNpsychedelic Paul's songs are (his guitar lines on the title track and its reprise being the only remotely trippy-sounding things on his songs).  "With a Little Help from My Friends" and "When I'm Sixty-Four" are both simple Music Hall throwbacks; "She's Leaving Home" is like a more maudlin attempted companion piece to "Eleanor Rigby;" "Getting Better," "Fixing A Hole" and "Lovely Rita" are all standard second-tier Paul songs, à la "What You're Doing," "Tell Me What You See," "Rocky Raccoon," etc.

Good analysis. Cheers,

Oudis.

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Initially, in my opinion, Sgt. Peppers is a project of Paul. John later incorporated the project and got into the spirit of "always achieving the impossible". He and Paul were hours training before going to record. George has said in an interview that his head was in India at that time (as John said), Ringo said he learned to do in Sgt. Peppers was playing chess. I say this, but at the same time to say, if any of the Beatles were gone (as was the White Album), the album would not be what it was. We had great contributions from Ringo (in A day in the life for example) and George (vocals on Getting better, for example) also.

 
 

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