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Do you think George was dealing with depression from 66 to the break-up?
12 February 2014
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Writing down what he was feeling, which often would then become a song, would've helped him quite a bit, I imagine. Sometimes it's just good to get down on paper whatever is going through your head.

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13 February 2014
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I suppose chanting and meditation were like therapy for him as well, and Paramahansa Yogananda's book, "Autobiography of a Yogi". 

The Apple Scruff Carol Bedford, who George became friends with, had depression, and in her book George bared his heart out to her about how depressed he was from all the fame and the pressure of supporting everyone living in Friar Park. She got worried and recommended a clinic for him to go to if he ever felt like he had nowhere else to turn. He accepted, but I don't know if he ever went. This was after The Beatles had broken up, like around 1972 or so. Granted her account should be taken with a grain of salt, but it did ring true with what he's said in interviews, and what others have said about him.

21 May 2014
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People were mentioning in the beginning of this thread that if he was depressed someone like Pattie or Eric would've said something. I recently came across this quote from Pattie's book, Wonderful Tonight:

"We learned how to meditate at the feet of a master – despite the allegations, George and I still regarded Maharishi as a master – we had been shown the spiritual way to enlightenment, we had returned from Rishikesh renewed and refreshed, and yet from the time we left India our lives and our relationship seemed to fall apart.

I was delighted to be home and eager to tell my friends all about our trip. George retreated into himself. He had become very intense in India: the experience seemed to have answered some of the nagging questions he had had about his life but it had taken some of the lightness out of his soul. He continued the meditation and the chanting, and his prayer wheel was never far from his hand. To begin with, so did I, but he became obsessive about it. Some days he would be all right, but on others he seemed withdrawn and depressed. This was new: he had never been depressed before, but there was nothing I could do. It wasn’t about me, but I found that my moods started to mirror his.

[...] George would start to say something about Paul, then stop. He appeared unable or unwilling to share his thoughts with me; he wouldn’t tell me he felt left out – although I am sure he did. He kept his hurt, frustration, anger or whatever it was, to himself. We had once been so close, so honest and open with each other. Now a distance had developed between us. At times I couldn’t reach him."

At the very least, I do get the impression George was awfully unhappy for a very long time. 

21 May 2014
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I guess one of the main things to remember is that there's a difference between actual clinical Depression (such as the OP suffered from) and just "plain" depression, resulting from, I dunno, life just not being all it could be, all the time. You know, "the blues". I personally don't think George was clinically depressed (I'm not a mental health professional, btw) any more than I think he suffered from PTSD. (When I first saw this thread, I assumed that other one had just been re-named.) There really aren't that many "suffering" George songs, are there?

Is there a "Was John bipolar?" thread? I think that's a more plausible scenario, in terms of the Beatles and their various mental ailments.

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21 May 2014
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I thought about merging those two threads. They cover a different time frame, but the same theme. @vonbontee, would you take a look through the two threads and see if they are similar enough that the conversation would be enhanced by the two treads becoming one? I can make it happen with some fancy footwork once I get back to a computer (can't do it from this phone).

EDIT: These threads may cover some/all of the same time frame. I just gave them a quick glance.

21 May 2014
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I'd do anything for you, Ahhh Girl! :) I took a look and think they're very different threads, content-wise. The similarity of the titles just led a couple of us to remember the earlier thread. The timelines only intersect at one or two points, i think. Would merging them make searching more difficult, or less?

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22 May 2014
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Just to double check, the two threads cover separate time frames in George's life. Usually, I'd read through the threads to make determinations like this, but Michaelangelo's David is calling my name. Must prepare and go visit him. No, I'm not cheating on Paul. I'm just going to see a work of art. Hum, the thought just struck me that Paul is a work of art. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

The searching wouldn't be improved, I don't think. The only reason to have them joined would be to have the ideas all in one place … to have one beefy conversation … but if they are dealing with different topics or times in George's life, joining them doesn't make sense.

If it is just that the time frame of the posts themselves is different, I can make that work.

Thanks for your help with this project, von.

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22 May 2014
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Ahhh Girl said
Just to double check, the two threads cover separate time frames in George's life. Usually, I'd read through the threads to make determinations like this, but Michaelangelo's David is calling my name. Must prepare and go visit him. No, I'm not cheating on Paul. I'm just going to see a work of art. Hum, the thought just struck me that Paul is a work of art. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

The searching wouldn't be improved, I don't think. The only reason to have them joined would be to have the ideas all in one place … to have one beefy conversation … but if they are dealing with different topics or times in George's life, joining them doesn't make sense.

If it is just that the time frame of the posts themselves is different, I can make that work.

Thanks for your help with this project, von.

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