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Do you think George was dealing with depression from 66 to the break-up?
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In my opinion it seems like he was. Many of his songs that surfaced on ATMP or bootlegs/Anthology that were written during that time period deal with "Darkness" Beware Of Darkness, All Things Must Pass. Many other songs dealt with not wanting to be where he was Everybody, Nobody (Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp), Nowhere To Go, Sour Milk Sea. Then you have the ones where he is wanting to be recognized Run Of The Mill, Wah-Wah, Not Guilty, The Light That Has Lighted The World(doesnt fit time parameter, but shows the same sentiment.) I Want To Tell You seems like he is trying to explain his depression. I Live For You, My Sweet Lord, Art of Dying are seen as religious songs, but the bottom line is he is thinking about dying. 

As someone who is slowly emerging from depression I may be over analyzing these tunes, but they bring me comfort.

Am I correct? Am I missing any songs or anything from my analysis?  ahdn_george_05

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A lot of the ATMP songs would be more dark in subject due to being written around the White Album/Get Back sessions when tensions were high with John and Paul, throw in his religious desires to leave this mortal coil and be with God and its no real surprise the nature of the songs. But it wasnt depression.

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Whilst George was treated shittily by John and Paul, he was shown a heck of a lot of respect by Dylan, Clapton and a whole lot of others which would have buoyed his spirits away from there - not to say its wasnt hell enduring mid -> late '68/early 69. And it would be unfair to say that the all of the Get Back rehearsals were unhappy times, listening to the sessions you can tell there were some moments of happiness (not to suggest that everyone depressed is miserable all the time). 

I just think its too easy to look at unhappiness and hard times and classify them as depression.

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The problem with depression is that it goes easily unnoticed or ignored by others. So you might be correct, but we'll probably never know.

I have to say it floored me when I read that "Isn't It A Pity" was begun in '66. I'd always thought it was written during the breakup like many of the others. I wonder what George was going through that prompted him to to write it.

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mccartneyalarm said
George was rather introverted to begin with...I hate the label...but he was the "quiet one." He was tired of being a Beatle. He was really freaked out over Manila. He was afraid of being on stage because of the potential danger. (I think there was an incident with firecrackers that freaked him out once). So, he was dealing with all of that. He was deeply commited to his search for answers through his spirituality. He found peace in that (the meditation and chanting) and often people who are deeply involved in their spirituality are mistakenly labelled obsessed with death (since death is what happens at the end of your life). I'm not sure that is indicative of depression. It certainly indicates he had a lot on his plate and he was trying to find peace any way he could. I hope he wasn't clinically depressed. I hope he was just finding himself. When someone is clinically depressed, they present with signs of inability to face the day: they can't get out of bed; they can't motivate themselves to get dressed, to see people, to write or do their work. I don't think George was in that dark place or someone (like Patti or Clapton) would have mentioned it. (He also would not have struck up an affair with Maureen Starkey if he was clinically depressed). Just my opinion.  

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8A cherry bomb was thrown onto the stage whilst they were performing If I Needed Someone during the second performance at the Mid-South Coliseum on the 19th August 1966. All the Beatles stopped to check on the others and then carried on. More mayhem to what was a horrendous tour. 

The quality is very poor but you can here it around the 1:12 mark in the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....4BXU5kKjKU

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meanmistermustard said

affair with Maureen Starkey if he was clinically depressed). Just my opinion.  

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8A cherry bomb was thrown onto the stage whilst they were performing If I Needed Someone during the second performance at the Mid-South Coliseum on the 19th August 1966. All the Beatles stopped to check on the others and then carried on. More mayhem to what was a horrendous tour. 

The quality is very poor but you can here it around the 1:12 mark in the video below.


After the cherry bomb exploded onstage, the Beatles didn't even stop playing their instruments. Times have sure changed, as the Kings Of Leon proved after ending their concert immediately after a pigeon pooped on Jared Followill's face. http://www.today.com/id/384153.....nqNNSTcu3I

I'd never heard this story about George and the cherry bomb. No wonder he disliked playing in front of unruly crowds.

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mccartneyalarm said
George was rather introverted to begin with...I hate the label...but he was the "quiet one." He was tired of being a Beatle. He was really freaked out over Manila. He was afraid of being on stage because of the potential danger. (I think there was an incident with firecrackers that freaked him out once). So, he was dealing with all of that. He was deeply commited to his search for answers through his spirituality. He found peace in that (the meditation and chanting) and often people who are deeply involved in their spirituality are mistakenly labelled obsessed with death (since death is what happens at the end of your life). I'm not sure that is indicative of depression. It certainly indicates he had a lot on his plate and he was trying to find peace any way he could. I hope he wasn't clinically depressed. I hope he was just finding himself. When someone is clinically depressed, they present with signs of inability to face the day: they can't get out of bed; they can't motivate themselves to get dressed, to see people, to write or do their work. I don't think George was in that dark place or someone (like Patti or Clapton) would have mentioned it. (He also would not have struck up an affair with Maureen Starkey if he was clinically depressed). Just my opinion.  

He also received a death threat in 1966. According to Alistair Taylor George was already having reservations about being a Beatle in 1963. I agree with you, but I do think his affair with Maureen was a result of two people feeling very lonely and lost. It seemed different to his other affairs around that time.

Also, with all of his drug problems and being as self-absorbed as he was, I'm not so sure someone like Clapton would've picked up on George's behavior.

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meanmistermustard said
a-hard-days-night-ringo-8The Beatles and most other bands would have all kinds of stuff thrown at them whilst performing, i remember reading about a cigarette lighter nearly hitting John once. They just got on with it with the only reason for a stoppage was fans breaking thru the protection or causing near riots. Nowadays if an empty water bottle is thrown some performances storm off. 

Not saying they should play throw, just changed times and shows the chaos the Beatles endured in concert. If The Beatles left the stage over some hard jelly babies the whole town/city they were playing would be left in ruin. 

Sometimes looking at what John, Paul, George and Ringo had to endure between '63 and '66 its more a surprise they toured for so long.

They did try to stretch out the stage from the fans when they could, especially near the end. IIRC, the Candlestick Park farewell concert had the band squarely on the second base line on the diamond and the stage itself was blocked by a fence, and I don't think there were any fans on the field itself.

Listening to that performance, if there's a song where you can tell the band was half-assing it (especially George) on that last tour, it's "If I Needed Someone." George sounds horrible in every performance of that song from that tour that I've ever heard, and I've heard 5 renditions of it now- Tokyo, Manila, D.C., San Fran and now Memphis.

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meanmistermustard said

Another to add to your collection - Maple Leaf Gardens, Toronto - tho more screams than Beatles.


George's voice is so hard to hear, that I think he might be singing "If you're listening to this song, you may think the chords are going wrong… but they're not… "

MMM, where are these recordings coming from? Fans in the audience who happened to be carrying the primitive 60s reel-to-reel recorders?

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