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Could George have suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from Beatlemania?
18 June 2012
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Long John Silver said

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If George suffered from any type of trauma it would have been from living under the heel of oppression of John and Paul's massive egos combined with their dismissive attitude towards him and his music. An oppressive atmosphere that didn't go away even after the break up.

My opinion.

You too would have ego if you were part of the most successful music partnership in history of music.

I don't think you can't be part of one of the most successful music partnership in history of music without having some ego… a-hard-days-night-john-1a-hard-days-night-john-1

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An ego is how a person sees themselves, so they would have egos even if The Beatles sucked and never went anywhere.

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mithveaen said

Long John Silver said

robert said
If George suffered from any type of trauma it would have been from living under the heel of oppression of John and Paul's massive egos combined with their dismissive attitude towards him and his music. An oppressive atmosphere that didn't go away even after the break up.

My opinion.

You too would have ego if you were part of the most successful music partnership in history of music.

I don't think you can't be part of one of the most successful music partnership in history of music without having some ego… a-hard-days-night-john-1a-hard-days-night-john-1

Maybe, but ego just got bigger as they were more and more successful, it is natural.

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George had an ego too – anybody who decides to debut with a triple album obviously has one! In fact I would say that anybody who decides to record an album of their own has to have a healthy ego.

Really, when I saw this thread title (the first half of it) I thought it was going to be about his 1999 knife attack :/

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That is what I mean. It is impossible to think that the Beatles didn't have a huge ego after their success.

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Could George have suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from Beatlemania?

Possible? Yes. Probable? No.

I would be a fool to think there would be no mental anguish or some type of stress after everything they were going through – especially at the time of the breakup and shortly after.

However, since George was one of the members who wanted "out" the most (John might have wanted it more – hard to tell) one has to think he was overwhelmed with relief that it was over.

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George had an ego too – anybody who decides to debut with a triple album obviously has one! In fact I would say that anybody who decides to record an album of their own has to have a healthy ego.

 

He was member of The Beatles, he could debut with 5 vinyl at that time if he wanted to.

I talk about the success they had during The Beatles as they were the main songwriters.

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I don't think George really had enough songs to fill 10 vinyl sides at once, unless you wanted 3 full albums of jamming!

I'm just saying that John, Paul & George ALL had healthy egos, and rightly so – they knew they were talented.

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I thought George's triple album was less about ego and more about letting out all of the songs he had built up for years and the Beatles rejected…he just wanted his music out there, knew it would sell due to being his first solo effort, and probably didn't know at the time if he would be able to sustain a long career, so why not put it all out at once? But of course he did sustain a long career.

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vonbontee said
George had an ego too – anybody who decides to debut with a triple album obviously has one! In fact I would say that anybody who decides to record an album of their own has to have a healthy ego.

Really, when I saw this thread title (the first half of it) I thought it was going to be about his 1999 knife attack :/

Sorry to disagree with you on this one. George did not have a ego. He was one of the most humble musicians I have ever seen. He stood in between two egos namely Lennon & McCartney. He was the calming factor that kept the glue together all those years. 

As far as having an ego when you put out a solo album, I disagree with this also. He was a musician and a good one at that. It's just too bad a lot of the songs on 'ATMP' didn't make the Beatles albums. I also find it interesting that George had the two biggest songs on 'Abbey Road' which was the biggest selling Beatles album of all time. 

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Ego doesn't mean arrogance – and I think Inner Light that's where you and Von are confused. George had an ego, all right – bring in the best f*cking band in the world, who wouldn't? And I disagree he was the glue. Paul was the glue. He was the one who kept them going. Ego is confidence – arrogance is confidence without reason. He had an ego, but he was t arrogant.

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I don't think Paul or George were really the glue. Paul led the MMT and LIB projects, but in doing so he alienated the others and was responsible for the two worst projects the Beatles embarked on. George defused tensions during the White Album and Get Back sessions by bringing in Eric and Billy, but he also argued with the others and stormed out.

No, I would credit someone else with holding them together:

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So without getting into the all pyscho babble about egos etc, I think we can discern that George did indeed have an ego (as would any successful person) and if we watch Living In A Material World (LIAMW) and read Clapton's book, George also had an anger problem and was quite a womanizer.

My point was that in spite of his own ego, John and Paul's massive egos (earned) became oppressive and held him back.

 

I also think (and there is where I will get taken off some Christmas lists) that George's talent was not equal to John or Paul's (at least in terms of pop/rock music), I believe he realized that, suffered from it for a time and then ventured out into film making and car racing as a means of finding a place where he would not be compared to John and Paul.

There's an interview in LIAMW where George says he doesn't consider himself a rock star. I don't think he's being humble I think he realized that he didn't have the staying power of Lennon, Macca or Clapton as a SOLO artist. He did GREAT in groups such as Willburys.

 

George understood his limitations and accepted them eventually. As I believe John did (in terms of hitting the charts). Paul seems to have two main limitations – he isn't John and he doesn't know when to exit the stage.

My 2 cents (and over valued at that)

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Inner Light said

vonbontee said
George had an ego too – anybody who decides to debut with a triple album obviously has one! In fact I would say that anybody who decides to record an album of their own has to have a healthy ego.

Really, when I saw this thread title (the first half of it) I thought it was going to be about his 1999 knife attack :/

Sorry to disagree with you on this one. George did not have a ego. He was one of the most humble musicians I have ever seen. He stood in between two egos namely Lennon & McCartney. He was the calming factor that kept the glue together all those years. 

If George did not have some kind of rockstar ego, why would he ever complain about being denied song space on albums? I agree that George was more humble than John and Paul but to say he was ego-less is just completely untrue, sorry. He stormed out when he wasn't getting his own way just like the rest of them.

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Ben Ramon said

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vonbontee said
George had an ego too – anybody who decides to debut with a triple album obviously has one! In fact I would say that anybody who decides to record an album of their own has to have a healthy ego.

Really, when I saw this thread title (the first half of it) I thought it was going to be about his 1999 knife attack :/

Sorry to disagree with you on this one. George did not have a ego. He was one of the most humble musicians I have ever seen. He stood in between two egos namely Lennon & McCartney. He was the calming factor that kept the glue together all those years. 

If George did not have some kind of rockstar ego, why would he ever complain about being denied song space on albums? I agree that George was more humble than John and Paul but to say he was ego-less is just completely untrue, sorry. He stormed out when he wasn't getting his own way just like the rest of them.

I agree. We all have an ego to a point. That's what makes us who we are. We all like when someone say's something nice about us but he was not prideful. He did not like adulation and never wanted to be famous. As far as him walking out during the filming of 'Let It Be', I would have also. It's not easy when someone is always telling you what to play when you have already established yourself as a great musician. The key word here is 'humble' which you mentioned above. Not putting yourself on a pedestal and being thankful  for the talent you were givien. 

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The Walrus said

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I think that George might have had a very small case of Asbergers. This would explain why he got so angry during that period: he was overwhelmed by always being surrounded by so many people, and he expressed that through anger. That would also explain his obsession with India because that is sometimes a side effect of Asbergers

Though maybe I'm just over thinking all of this.a-hard-days-night-george-10

Okay, firstly it is Asperger's, not Asbergers. If you struggle to spell, use the abbreviation AS.

Secondly, there aren't "small cases". People display different symptoms, people learn different coping strategies, and people learn at different rates (be they NT or Aspie), but nobody has a "small case", not to the extent of only displaying symptoms on a few occasions in their lives.

George was introverted, but he seemed perfectly capable in social situations, he didn't seem at all distressed by being in sensory cauldrons like Shea (only made weary by constant touring and fame), his speech was neither overly formal nor pedantic, he had no trouble understanding nuanced speech, he did not seem to have issues with mind blindness. Furthermore, people with AS tend to be rather clumsy and struggle with fine motor control; they also commonly speak with a boring, blunted tone and little use of intonation or inflection. George Harrison was a world class guitarist, and not only a capable singer, but one who had a successful career and sang on more than one #1 hit.

Now, I don't think either that George has AS, I find it pretty ridiculous to think so, but I don't totally agree with the way you back up your claims.

Asperger's belongs to same "group" of syndroms as autism, but that doesn't necessarily mean all the symptoms are same or presented. There are a lot of people with AS who don't have any problems with motoristic skills, and are able to speak normally. As it happens, I know such a person ( not to say that all of them are the same, though).

What you didn't mention is that people with AS often have a burning passion for a very specific subject, and if you strecth the truth a little bit, you could claim that George's Indianism was a sign of that. I don't buy it.

 

Neither do I believe that any of the members had PTSD. a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

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I didn't mention "special interests" because unknown mentioned them. You could possibly stretch to calling George's interest in India and Indian culture a "special interest". It is quite common for the interest to change every few months.

I use autism and Asperger's fairly interchangeably- soon they will be merged into one diagnosis in much of the world.

It is true that not all Aspies present all symptoms (as I said), and there are some who have no quirks in their speech and very good motor control (often this is trained though). One example is Owl City, who I will link to at the bottom. However, George barely presented any of the symptoms.

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Just for the sake of clarity, when George walked out during the Let It Be sessions, it was not because he wasn't getting his way or even because he was being told what to play or not play by Paul.

George walked out after he and John had a fist fight (or close to a fist fight – but reports are that it got physical). The argument was over something George said to John about Yoko.

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robert said
Just for the sake of clarity, when George walked out during the Let It Be sessions, it was not because he wasn't getting his way or even because he was being told what to play or not play by Paul.

George walked out after he and John had a fist fight (or close to a fist fight – but reports are that it got physical). The argument was over something George said to John about Yoko.

Never heard about that one…

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Long John Silver said

robert said
Just for the sake of clarity, when George walked out during the Let It Be sessions, it was not because he wasn't getting his way or even because he was being told what to play or not play by Paul.

George walked out after he and John had a fist fight (or close to a fist fight – but reports are that it got physical). The argument was over something George said to John about Yoko.

Never heard about that one…

I read about the fight somewhere but I'm not sure if that's the reason why he walked out, or if it was really a full-blown fist fight. I don't think it was. It could well have been the reason why he left, but I think it was more because of a combination of the pressure and tension that was going on at that time, Paul having to take the lead role because nobody else was really that willing to put much effort into it, and then maybe the fact that he and John were getting on worse than ever was just the final straw.

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