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Could George have suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from Beatlemania?
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12 June 2012
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Just throwing this out there...but when I think of George and how he apparently began to change toward the end of touring (according to various witnesses) i.e much less patient with people, easy to anger, etc...and then how he submerged himself so deeply in Eastern spirituality at about the same time...to me it seems as though his reaction to the unprecedented stresses of touring and of being a Beatle may have resulted in PTSD and that his answer was religion/spirituality, in a way that perhaps he would not have taken on to the extent he did, if not for what he endured for those years.

 

Almost everyone who has written about George says he changed greatly during that period...his anger at the music not being heard, at the lack of privacy, the banality of the press, etc...but then he seemed to rebound in the early to mid 70's, regained his former humor, took himself less seriously, etc...

 

Not trying to play doctor here...it is just something I think about sometimes. George seems to have suffered the most trauma from Beatlemania, to me, followed by John, although I think John also just lost interest in the early songs, the traveling, etc...of the four, only Paul seems to have come through practically unaffected, having his breakdown when the group split up instead. Ringo, as we know, seems to have survived touring, but went on to have major issues in the 70's and into the 80's with addiction. Meanwhile, Paul smoked his weed and kept his head, for the most part.

 

Beatlemania is something that no one other than these 4 guys experienced in full...and it was such a phenomenon that it would be unrealistic to think that all four could emerge from it unscathed.

12 June 2012
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I think that George might have had a very small case of Asbergers. This would explain why he got so angry during that period: he was overwhelmed by always being surrounded by so many people, and he expressed that through anger. That would also explain his obsession with India because that is sometimes a side effect of Asbergers

Though maybe I'm just over thinking all of this.a-hard-days-night-george-10

Okay, firstly it is Asperger's, not Asbergers. If you struggle to spell, use the abbreviation AS.

Secondly, there aren't "small cases". People display different symptoms, people learn different coping strategies, and people learn at different rates (be they NT or Aspie), but nobody has a "small case", not to the extent of only displaying symptoms on a few occasions in their lives.

George was introverted, but he seemed perfectly capable in social situations, he didn't seem at all distressed by being in sensory cauldrons like Shea (only made weary by constant touring and fame), his speech was neither overly formal nor pedantic, he had no trouble understanding nuanced speech, he did not seem to have issues with mind blindness. Furthermore, people with AS tend to be rather clumsy and struggle with fine motor control; they also commonly speak with a boring, blunted tone and little use of intonation or inflection. George Harrison was a world class guitarist, and not only a capable singer, but one who had a successful career and sang on more than one #1 hit.

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16 June 2012
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George was exhausted in 1972/3/4, when his marriage hit the fan, or whatever stupid term we want to use. He was angered by how people tried to make money from The Concert For Bangladesh, he was irritated by legal wranglings, and entirely burned out and unhappy. That's a pretty good pool of circumstance from which to say his actions were caused by circumstance.

As for the original point - No. Just No. In no way could someone get PTSD from Beatlemania. No one could act so cheerful in A Hard Day's Night or be so amused by Lennon playing organ with his elbow during I'm Down at Shea as George was. And PTSD is no joke. This is nothing to be casually saying "Person X might have it - he was angry lots of the time!" It's serious - and not something that should be thrown around with no pretext. I'm sorry, but that's just my opinion.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

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16 June 2012
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Totally agree Sun King.

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16 June 2012
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The Walrus said

Okay, firstly it is Asperger's, not Asbergers. If you struggle to spell, use the abbreviation AS.

Secondly, there aren't "small cases". People display different symptoms, people learn different coping strategies, and people learn at different rates (be they NT or Aspie), but nobody has a "small case", not to the extent of only displaying symptoms on a few occasions in their lives.

George was introverted, but he seemed perfectly capable in social situations, he didn't seem at all distressed by being in sensory cauldrons like Shea (only made weary by constant touring and fame), his speech was neither overly formal nor pedantic, he had no trouble understanding nuanced speech, he did not seem to have issues with mind blindness. Furthermore, people with AS tend to be rather clumsy and struggle with fine motor control; they also commonly speak with a boring, blunted tone and little use of intonation or inflection. George Harrison was a world class guitarist, and not only a capable singer, but one who had a successful career and sang on more than one #1 hit.

 

Thanks, Walrus. I do struggle sometimes, and I thought it looked wrong.

You are probably right in that he did not have Asperger's, though it is still a possibility. We did not know him, so we do not know that he did not show other signs of all that. Maybe he did show many other signs of it, and maybe he was scared at Shea.

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17 June 2012
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Because not every soldier sees the same things. Lennon, McCartney, Harrison and Starr all saw the exact same thing (except for when Ringo got sick in 1964, of course) on tour. So it's an imperfect analogy.
If I came off as rude, I actually meant to come off irritated by your willingness to slap a serious disorder on George from constant touring, sessions and looney acts. I think it's disrespectful to those who have PTSD to demean it by saying it could be gotten from being famous. So don't get high and mighty with me.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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