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Is my photograph original?
23 July 2014
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Hi everyone...

How might I go about finding out if a photograph owned by my mother is original or whether it is a copy and is therefore already published?

Thanks,

JJ

23 July 2014
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I would start by finding out who allegedly took the picture. Since Lennon changed so much from year to year, you should be able to approximate when it was taken. Just about anyone who has taken pictures of Lennon at this point has published them if they are professional photographers. You can google those photographers and check out their pictures.

Of course you can also post it on this Forum; there are any number of amateur experts here who could probably instantly tell you if they recognize it!

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23 July 2014
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In the end, the only way to know is to let people see it.

An unknown photograph would have value, but not as much as unknown photograph and negative.

However, even if a known photograph, it could still have value. For instance, The Beatles Book Monthly made available photographic prints of some of their pictures over the years, and those are collectable.

Without any idea of the image, or the size of it, it is impossible to say.

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23 July 2014
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Scan it for upload but watermark it before you post it.

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24 July 2014
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Great thanks for coming back to me. I will organise a scan and work out how to watermark it! It says in pencil on the back, "Beatles 1964" which should help date it!! 

1 August 2014
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Image 84 x 80 mm with 2 mm white border, on the reverse in pencil is written “The Beatles 1964” and printed or stamped with “D 225”. Unfortunately I cant work out how to upload it... Any help? The insert image button doesn't have anyway of selecting an image, and if I type in its location on my computer it doesn't do anything...

1 August 2014
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@165721, to upload an image to a post for the forum

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To add pictures as attachments (jpg, gif or png file types) from your computer (it must be saved on your computer)

  1. Click on the 'Attachment' button which can be found immediately below the text reply box.
  2. Click on 'Add files' button at the bottom of the box that will appear.
  3. In the newly displayed box navigate to the location of the file you wish to on your computer/mobile device.
  4. Double click on the image and click the 'Open' button
  5. Click on the 'Start Upload' button. The image you have uploaded should automatically appear in the reply text box.

(taken from the How Do You Do It? The Ongoing Guide To Forum Functions, Features and Facets thread)

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The-Beatles-1964.jpg

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Oh, how adorable they all are! heart

I wish @Ron Nasty were here to see this today.

1 August 2014
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Its from the Odeon Cinema, Cheltenham November 1st 1963 - Joe's entryWogblog.

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Wow good knowledge - it seems to be from a lower angle than the camera shots so doesn't look like a still. Is there anyway of finding out who might have been shooting the event (stills) alongside the film crew at the time?

1 August 2014
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Less knowledge more a google image search for 'beatles interview 1963' which brought up a still from the video clip above and the details which were shoved back in google for the websites. Just glad to help out a little.

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1 August 2014
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Insight nonetheless - I didn't even register that they were in an interview!

1 August 2014
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165721 said

Insight nonetheless - I didn't even register that they were in an interview!

I wondered they were in an interview since they look like they are holding microphones of some sort.

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7 August 2014
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So, the photo almost certainly is original (i.e. not a digital copy, but an original photo taken from a negative). What happens with copyright in the case, can the picture be copied, distributed, sold, etc. without knowing the photographer or where the negative might be, if it still exists?

7 August 2014
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@parlance, perhaps you can help answer 165721's question.

7 August 2014
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Thanks, Ahhh Girl. It depends on the country of course, but in the US, the copyright belongs to the author (or the wire service, if the rights were sold), and that is the case whether you can find the photographer or not. Generally the duration of the copyright lasts 50 or 70 years in most of the world (more info at wiki). 

You might try a reverse image search engine on your photo (click on the camera icon and upload) to see if you can find the creator.

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Thanks parlance - reverse searches have not thrown up anything similar, so as far as I am aware no one has published it, or at least widely enough to be picked up by Google. Admittedly I didn't go through the whole billion returns ;-)

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7 August 2014
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Off topic, but it's funny this came up today - a photographer is fighting for the rights to a selfie a monkey took with his camera.

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Perhaps it was the very same monkey what took this photo in 1963 ;-)

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