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8 July 2014
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Trouble with that possibility for me is it doesn't sound like any of the other 3 Beatles either.

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8 July 2014
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meanmistermustard said
Trouble with that possibility for me is it doesn't sound like any of the other 3 Beatles either.

Someone at WogBlog commented that it sounds like their Decca-era recordings, and I'm willing to believe the other three were farting around, deliberately copying a popular sound. The sticking point for those more technically-minded seems to have been the drumming, so perhaps Jimmy Nicol would be the missing element for making the case that it is the Beatles.

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8 July 2014
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I suppose there might be some similarities with bits of the Decca tapes but they'd have to be seriously off their game to get anywhere near the train music. 

Someone needs to go back round Jimmy's door and ask.

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8 July 2014
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Meh, I don't really care, to be honest. But I do find it strange that if it's not the Beatles, that the band responsible wouldn't have come forward to brag or seek residuals.

If someone finds Jimmy again, I doubt he'd be pleased.

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9 July 2014
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Ringo finally weighs in on the Train Song debate.

Er, I'll spare you the filler and just give you his answer:

“I’m afraid I have to help keep it a mystery,” he said with a generous smile. “I don’t remember.”

Paul's turn.

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14 July 2014
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I just heard about "The Train Song" dilemma this AM on my area Breakfast With The Beatles.  I think it's them.  Here's why:

  • They liked messing around.  What if they decided to make some "electronic noise", whatever was the generic hip non-Beatle sound of the day, just to be "another band" to make the scene play out?  They'd toy with the idea of being another band later... Sgt. Pepper.  Up their alley, their humour.
  • They wouldn't have to pay rights for anyone else's music.  Even if they grabbed some trendy new band in the next studio room to jam for 35 seconds, they'd still have to buy the tune or give credit to the band, and no one is noted, right?  No one else has stepped forward in 50 years?
  • They used the song to irritate the stuffy old man.  The music is meant to be obnoxious.  It would've insulted another legit band if they used a song by that band for that scene.  No one has identified the song as being from anyone else, right?
  • They were all about promoting themselves at this point.  The whole movie is Beatles.  Why would they use someone else's song?
  • They could've all shoved over one spot on the instruments and "jammed" some tune.  Each Beatle playing a different instrument would make their sound pretty awkward.  I'd say this definitely sounds awkward, unskilled, loud.

For all this, they could've just used one of their own popular songs, to be tongue-in-cheek, but I don't think they wanted to make their songs grating to the older generations.  It doesn't go with the formula of cute mop-tops winning over the masses.  I think the instruments sound Beatley enough, the more I listen to it.  It just doesn't sound "right".  They were pretending to be someone else, or they were just acting cocky, or they swapped parts, who knows!  Is there anyone left alive who was there to say for sure?  Where was it recorded?  I hope we get answers!

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14 July 2014
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I am undecided. The most compelling "evidence" has to be that nobody else has ever claimed to have had a hand in it.

That said, there's nothing to say that it wasn't a bunch of session musicians (only their time would have needed to have been paid for) and that none of them have recognised it from the few seconds that made the film.

It could be something as simple as Brian suggesting seeing whether there was anything on a Pacemakers or Dakotas tape that was usable. In fact, as the Dakotas were also an instrumental band as well as backing Billy J., that possibility wouldn't surprise me at all.

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14 July 2014
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It was explained last week on Beatles rarities……Hope the link works. Incase it doesn't……It was the Beatles.

 

http://www.thebeatlesrarity.co.....-293119453

14 July 2014
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Still not the last word. He's going by a quote from Walter Shenson, which has been challenged in a couple of other articles posted in this thread.

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14 July 2014
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Actually I watched it last night………First time in years. I was surprised to realize I knew 2 of the actors. In the years when I knew them I never asked about their Beatle experiences in the film.

14 July 2014
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?!  Which actors?  Why??

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14 July 2014
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John Junkin who played 'Shake' sp was a regular at an Indian restaurant called 'The Romna' in Seymour Place, 5 min walk from John+Yoko/Ringo's flat and across the road from Marylebone Station…….(I noticed in the film it begins with John, George and Ringo running along 'Boston Place', which is the road parallel to the Station, (later to became the location for the Apple offices and Paul mentions it in his introduction to Hey Jude on Anthology)….  but they are running away from the station entrance. Then the Beatles arrive at Marylebone, get chased around the platforms, get on a train, do all the train scenes + 'I should have Known Better'……Only to arrive back where they started, jump in a limo and leave)….Presumably the train round-trip was only there to facilitate George's future wedding plans!!  

About 15 years after AHDN I met John Junkin. I bumped into him quite often in The Romna….Our Indian food addiction habits seemed to coincide and we'd chat over a drink while he waited for his 'takeaway'. Junkin was always playing small roles on the telly. I can't remember what we talked about but neither he or I ever mentioned the Beatles. I didn't connect the two……..I could kick myself now.

 

The other actor was Julian Holloway who plays a small part in the 'shirt scene' and isn't credited……. He's the son of Stanley Holloway a British actor who some Americans would know via his part as Eliza's father in 'My Fair Lady'

 

Julian appeared in 'Carry on Films' and such………. Once again, perhaps more understandably I didn't ever connect him with the Beatles.

 

Just one little backstairs Beatles story from either of them would have been so interesting 50 years on.……."I should have Known Better' shouldn't I?

14 September 2014
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I loved the movie and watched it thrice. But I didn't like Paul's grandfather much. But the Beatles were HILARIOUS!

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I was watching it again and I noticed that the reason Paul's Grandfather is with them is because Paul's Mom thought the trip would do him good but Paul's mom is dead so how did Paul communicate with the dead?

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14 September 2014
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I have unfortunately not seen AHDN yet, nor Help!. a-hard-days-night-ringo-2 But the albums are great! :)

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14 September 2014
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Annadog40 said
I was watching it again and I noticed that the reason Paul's Grandfather is with them is because Paul's Mom thought the trip would do him good but Paul's mom is dead so how did Paul communicate with the dead?

They had a seance a few nights before but the scene was cut out due to it being a bit too grim.  Breaking into a performance of Ask Me Why was also deemed a bit tasteless.

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