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The Love You Make by Peter Brown and Steven Gaines
24 February 2014
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Billy Rhythm
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PeterWeatherby said
It doesn't help that Brown has zero documented references in his book either.

 

The hard cover copy that I used to own the 1980's must be very different from yours, for I recall that it was very well referenced, and you didn't have to flip to the back to a 'Bibliography' either.  Key quotes and points throughout the book were numbered and the corresponding small print at the bottom of the page referenced Brown's sources.

 

Although Peter Brown was a trusted associate, he was no author and wouldn't have needed Steven Gaines' (who is an author) assistance if he was one.  The "sensationalism" present is to be expected with Gaines' background in writing and journalism, something that I was easily able to look past with the many well referenced historical facts present.  I remember Mimi being portrayed pretty much as she's always been in "other biographies", and she was human despite her "stiff upper lip", just because she rarely displayed it to others doesn't mean that she wasn't capable of it ("sobbing") and losing a close family member to such horrific circumstances could very well have been something that opened the floodgates.

 

Peter Brown, although he certainly could've chosen someone else to author his memoires, isn't so much as directly sensationalizing The Beatles' Story himself as he's sharing his own personal experiences to an author who's job is to make it into a 'BestSeller', and yeah that means presenting it in a certain spotlight for the masses.  Peter Brown was there throughout their whole wild ride to fame once NEMS got involved and was very close to Brian Epstein personally, that's not a claim that very many people can make.  Sure it doesn't automatically exempt him from being capable of lying, but before the book was released there was no history of Brown falsifying records and his character was never in question by anyone.  He was one of a select few that was genuinely trusted by The Beatles and, yes on a personal level he betrayed that trust, but I believe that that's because he was being brutally honest about his experiences with The Beatles for Steven Gaines to present for public consumption…:-)

 

24 February 2014
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I have two copies (1983 hardback, 1984 paperback) and neither have references. Just butting in.

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24 February 2014
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meanmistermustard said
I have two copies (1983 hardback, 1984 paperback) and neither have references. Just butting in.

 

Well, my copy definitely did and it's one of the things that I remembered really appreciated about the book, so I'm not sure why subsequent copies would've omitted such an important feature but my copy had numbered references throughout.  For example, the "revelation" that John and Brian slept together was referenced with the admission by John Lennon that he "slept with Brian Epstein because he wanted to see what f**cking a guy was like" to Hunter Davies below on the very same page.  He also made note of the widely believed stories that weren't true, such as the popular belief that the Maharishi had made sexual advances towards Mia Farrow, when in fact it was someone else in the camp.  The book was given to me by a friend for a gift which I've since passed on like all books I read, but I do remember receiving it close to release time and it was well referenced…:-) 

24 February 2014
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Billy Rhythm said

meanmistermustard said
I have two copies (1983 hardback, 1984 paperback) and neither have references. Just butting in.

 

Well, my copy definitely did and it's one of the things that I remembered really appreciated about the book, so I'm not sure why subsequent copies would've omitted such an important feature but my copy had numbered references throughout.  For example, the "revelation" that John and Brian slept together was referenced with the admission by John Lennon that he "slept with Brian Epstein because he wanted to see what f**cking a guy was like" to Hunter Davies below on the very same page.  He also made note of the widely believed stories that weren't true, such as the popular belief that the Maharishi had made sexual advances towards Mia Farrow, when in fact it was someone else in the camp.  The book was given to me by a friend for a gift which I've since passed on like all books I read, but I do remember receiving it close to release time and it was well referenced…:-) 

I have no reason to not believe you, just butting in i was.

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meanmistermustard said
I have two copies (1983 hardback, 1984 paperback) and neither have references. Just butting in.

Yeah, the copy I read (my uncle's) is the '83 edition, no references or footnotes to be found.

 

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24 February 2014
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Ok, maybe I shouldn't have been so absolute in saying there were "no references" – because Billy Rhythm is correct, there are occasional footnotes on the bottom of some pages, usually delineated in the text with an asterisk or a cross. However, they are few and far between, and many of them are just further clarifications/explanations/claims that don't point to another source, so most of these notes aren't really true references as such.

A few more examples: he says that George had been "diligently studying" the sitar ever since filming Help!, and used it on both "Norwegian Wood" as well as "Rain," which "closed with one of George's neo-Indian ragas." George didn't really begin to get serious with the sitar until mid-1966 when he became Ravi Shankar's student, and even on "Norwegian Wood," he was so unfamiliar with the instrument that he had to re-tune it "to Western notes" according to The Beatles on the Record. And no reputable source I've ever read has claimed that anyone played the sitar on "Rain," much less that the song featured a "neo-Indian raga" at the end.

Brown also claims, on that magical night when Paul met Linda for the first time at the Bag O'Nails, that "I introduced Linda to him." Every other source I've read, including this web site and Paul's own repeated recollections given in interviews, says that Paul very nervously introduced himself to Linda at the last possible moment, just as she was leaving the club for the night.

Here is Paul's story, from the "Driving Rain" interview, on the song "There Must Have Been Magic":

'There Must Have Been Magic'

This is about meeting Linda – 'it must have been magic the night that we met'. I met Linda in a club and I always thought years after, particularly after she died, that if I hadn't stood up that night in a club we might never have met again. It was something I never normally did; I wouldn't normally stand up as someone was about to leave and say 'Er, excuse me, hello.…' I didn't do that. It was a bit embarrassing for a young guy to do that. I didn't normally do that but it was just one of those things that I felt I just had to do that night – 'Hi, um, I'm Paul, who are you?' And she sort of smiled and said 'Linda'. I said 'Er, we're going onto another club. Are you going home? Shall we meet up at this other club?' We were in The Bag O'Nails and we said we'd meet up in The Speakeasy. Which we did. So 'Magic' is a song about that; it must have been some sort of magic that made me do that. Because if I hadn't done that I might not have met her again.

That's what I mean by saying that Brown's account seems a bit over-hyped and over-sensationalized. He's just spinning yarns and telling tall tales, I think. "Oh, yeah, I was the one who introduced Paul and Linda!" Yeah, ok, sure you were … and Mimi was apparently given to emotional outbursts, and George's first performance of "Ranchee" (whatever the hell that is) didn't really impress John and Paul, and George played sitar on "Rain." Ok. Whatever.

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24 February 2014
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^all great points, and among the many good reasons that most serious Beatles fans don't consider the book to be an essential book when it comes to factual accounts of their career.

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24 February 2014
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PeterWeatherby said 

A few more examples: he says that George had been "diligently studying" the sitar ever since filming Help!, and used it on both "Norwegian Wood" as well as "Rain," which "closed with one of George's neo-Indian ragas." George didn't really begin to get serious with the sitar until mid-1966 when he became Ravi Shankar's student, and even on "Norwegian Wood," he was so unfamiliar with the instrument that he had to re-tune it "to Western notes" according to The Beatles on the Record. And no reputable source I've ever read has claimed that anyone played the sitar on "Rain," much less that the song featured a "neo-Indian raga" at the end.

Yeah, I didn't read Brown's book to be educated on their recording history, but if you wanna put so much emphasis on these paltry details then what about The Beatles' 'Anthology'?  Ringo asks "Which one of his (George's songs) was on 'Revolver'?"  Should we discount everything that Ringo says during the 'Anthology' simply because he couldn't recall the name of even "one" of three George Harrison songs on 'Revolver'?  George didn't even remember visiting Shea Stadium more than once during the 'Anthology', I guess we'd better dismiss everything he says throughout as well then.  Every volume/documentary on The Beatles has conflicting/inconsistent information, that I've come to expect, but when you line up Brown's book with Neil Aspinall's 'Anthology' memoires in addition to John, Paul, George & Ringo's own comments, there's a lot of corroborating accounts that are just told from each different person's personal viewpoint…:-)

 

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" The Love you make" was one if not the first " tell all books" by a real insider Peter Brown. it does offer some gossipy goodies and is much more engrossing than Hunter Davies authorized snooze fest. Some people don't want the BEATLES to have blemishes LENNON always said they had many ( God bless him). Another along the same lines is Alistair Taylors' book, " With the Beatles" this book suffers from having a lot of info that could be picked up anywhere, but there are some really interesting things that could only come from a BEATLES insider. I think MACCA has severed ties with him also.

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unclegilly said
" The Love you make" was one if not the first " tell all books" by a real insider Peter Brown. it does offer some gossipy goodies and is much more engrossing than Hunter Davies authorized snooze fest. Some people don't want the BEATLES to have blemishes LENNON always said they had many ( God bless him). Another along the same lines is Alistair Taylors' book, " With the Beatles" this book suffers from having a lot of info that could be picked up anywhere, but there are some really interesting things that could only come from a BEATLES insider. I think MACCA has severed ties with him also.

 

For me it has NOTHING to do with not wanting them to have blemishes…I'm obviously mature enough and secure enough in my love for the band that such things don't matter to me. For me, it's more to do with the fact that there are so many inaccuracies in the book, and sections where he is writing AS THOUGH IT WERE FACT what was said and done when he was not even THERE and no one who was has gone on record about it.

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DrBeatle said

unclegilly said
" The Love you make" was one if not the first " tell all books" by a real insider Peter Brown. it does offer some gossipy goodies and is much more engrossing than Hunter Davies authorized snooze fest. Some people don't want the BEATLES to have blemishes LENNON always said they had many ( God bless him). Another along the same lines is Alistair Taylors' book, " With the Beatles" this book suffers from having a lot of info that could be picked up anywhere, but there are some really interesting things that could only come from a BEATLES insider. I think MACCA has severed ties with him also.

 

For me it has NOTHING to do with not wanting them to have blemishes…I'm obviously mature enough and secure enough in my love for the band that such things don't matter to me. For me, it's more to do with the fact that there are so many inaccuracies in the book, and sections where he is writing AS THOUGH IT WERE FACT what was said and done when he was not even THERE and no one who was has gone on record about it.

Brown has ( had) enough credibility  and was there on many occassions when these naughty bits happened period.

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