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The Lives of John Lennon
14 February 2011
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deboraht
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I don't believe everything Goldman wrote, but I do believe a lot of it is true, no one had the guts to write it.

I thought that Sam Havadtoy was a bit of a creep.

Lennon dies December 8, 1980 - Yoko is with Sam 1981. Grieving widow?

15 February 2011
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I forgot about him. Where'd he go?

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15 February 2011
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8This article is about 9 years old, but it says Sam & Yoko split up in Fall of 2001.

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15 February 2011
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Zig said:

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8This article is about 9 years old, but it says Sam & Yoko split up in Fall of 2001.


He probably became a little too independant for her liking.
I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
16 February 2011
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

Zig said:

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8This article is about 9 years old, but it says Sam & Yoko split up in Fall of 2001.


He probably became a little too independant for her liking.
 

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16 February 2011
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She did try to control John in the early 70's but It stopped working after Sometime in NYC

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
16 February 2011
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Ha, I see what you did there!

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11 March 2011
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Von Bontee said:

Ha, I see what you did there!

I don't.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
26 March 2011
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Okay, hands up if you felt the Beatles sold out in 1963. Nobody? Well, Mr. "I'm retarded" Goldman claims they did. I hate him.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
26 March 2011
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I think it's kind of a stupid thing to say anyway. So what, were they supposed to continue playing dive bars and living off the good will of their families? Would that make them more "authentic"? a-hard-days-night-john-2

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26 March 2011
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Well, wasn't Mr. Lennon quoted as saying the same thing in his 1970 Rolling Stone interview? But skye is right, what were they supposed to do? So they sold out to a certain degree by cleaning up their act and by playing the same set night after night. But that's music, you have to learn the rules and play the game, but still be able to bend the rules, which the Beatles certainly did from the very beginning starting with interesting chord progressions and progressing to their innovations in the studio.

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27 March 2011
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

She did try to control John in the early 70's but It stopped working after Sometime in NYC

Von Bontee said:

Ha, I see what you did there!

 

mr. Sun king coming together said

I don't.

 

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8"…but it stopped working after some time in NYC" – it's a double meaning! "J&Y spent some time in New York City recording an album called Some Time in New York City."

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28 May 2011
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JFKin60
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I read most of the Goldman book and have to say it's the most exciting book on The Beatles I've read...

Clearly, Goldman went into this to tear Lennon down, although Lennon did a pretty good job of that himself throughout his years, especially the mid-70s...

Goldman made glaring mistakes (like listing two people, one of them Paul's brother, as unidentified in a photo) and was ripped for his choice of sources and taking many quotes out of to context...

Spitz laughed at what how his friend Goldman embellished while using the quotes his sources gave him. Goldman, apparently, gave Spitz the full context of his Lennon sources to which he used later...

Even with his bias and mistakes, much of this book was probably accurate and May Pang went as far as to say that 98-percent of what was written during her 15 minutes of fame with Lennon was accurate.

In youtube videos, Goldman, though snobby as hell, I thought held up pretty well under fire from hosts and studio audiences.

Goldman took a lot of criticism from Paul McCartney, who Goldman tried to interview but was refused. Goldman then states, accurately, that McCartney barely knew Lennon after 1970 and wasn't a vital source in the post-Beatle era pertaining to anything with Lennon.

Yoko, also, refused to sue, giving some lame excuse.

It was definitely worth reading, though.

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28 May 2011
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It is a historical fiction almost. Almost none of this is true. It doesn't hold up.
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I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
28 May 2011
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

It is a historical fiction almost. Almost none of this is true. It doesn't hold up.
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Again...May Pang said just about all of it was true, at least pertaining to the parts she was involved in...

Don't you think Paul, Yoko, Martin and a few others are trying to keep John's name clean?

Also, Yoko did NOT sue!

"If George Harrison can have a triple album, why can't I have a double album?"–Yoko Ono
28 May 2011
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Her lawyers said that if she sued it would be giving the book attention she didn't want given to it. As for May Pang, could you provide a link please? (Not challenging, just want to read another interview of her.)

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
28 May 2011
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JFKin60
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I'm looking for that exact quote about 98 percent...I don't keep everything I read but I hope to stumble across it in a few...

In my mind, Yoko didn't sue because most of what he said was accurate and might have put her up for a drug trial in the aftermath...

I would NEVER believe anything Yoko said anymore, anyway.

Goldman's most damning critic was Spitz, who was his friend even after the book.

"If George Harrison can have a triple album, why can't I have a double album?"–Yoko Ono
28 May 2011
11.17pm
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JFKin60 said:

I'm looking for that exact quote about 98 percent...I don't keep everything I read but I hope to stumble across it in a few...

In my mind, Yoko didn't sue because most of what he said was accurate and might have put her up for a drug trial in the aftermath...

I would NEVER believe anything Yoko said anymore, anyway.

Goldman's most damning critic was Spitz, who was his friend even after the book.

  1. Much obliged!!!
  2. Again, that's only her official story. I don't know the truth, although I think the heroin stuff was probably true (with her.)
  3. You do need to take her word with a grain of salt.
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