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The Beatles: All These Years by Mark Lewisohn
20 September 2013
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Joe said
No. The EMI contract thing really is unexpected (and hugely convoluted, but I'll not go into it now), but most of the time the new revelations are more "I never knew that, that's interesting", rather than "Bloody hell, I can't believe it!"

It's about the level of detail that he provides. There aren't wow moments on every page, but you will learn something new with each one. That said, I'm still only 75 pages in (though I have flicked ahead a few times, which is how I know the EMI story) so I'm sure there are plenty more surprises.

Thanks Joe - looking forward to your review!

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21 September 2013
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mja6758 said
I can answer that one without even seeing it. Lewisohn has said one of the differences between the standard and deluxe is that the deluxe has more pictures in it, therefore both must have pictures.

Once upon a time there were books.  Then, they made abridged or Reader's Digest versions of these books for the hoi poloi.  Now we are being told the actual book is a deluxe version.

Sigh.

 

21 September 2013
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I think for most people who buy it, they will be buying the standard version, and that will be the version they want. Here, though, are many people with an interest above and beyond the ordinary, and so what we consider the most desirable is the one with all the bells and whistles.

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mja6758 said
I think for most people who buy it, they will be buying the standard version, and that will be the version they want. Here, though, are many people with an interest above and beyond the ordinary, and so what we consider the most desirable is the one with all the bells and whistles.

I can agree with you on bells and whistles - but more pictures seems like pretty basic stuff to me.

 

21 September 2013
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Just to let people know, this is now a more general discussion thread about the series of books.

Discussion of Volume One/Tune In has moved to this thread

http://www.beatlesbible.com/fo.....-lewisohn/

This is especially important for those posts that contain spoilers which some of the forum members are trying to avoid until they have got the book, or read to that point in the book.

Your help in this would be appreciated.

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Perhaps we should have these two threads:

Lewisohn - Tune In

Lewisohn - Tune Out

 

21 September 2013
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Nah, this thread just becomes for those that don't want their reading spoiled, want to discover what's new by reading the book, and the other is for those who want to talk about things as soon as possible, and don't mind discovering things via the thread.

And pretty soon this thread will be back to what it has been anyway. Instead of moans and groans about the wait for Volume One, and all the rumours and speculation, it will switch to the same on Volume Two.

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Mine wasn't exactly straight-faced.a-hard-days-night-george-10

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 Since I do most of my reading on my Kindle these days, my plan has been to order the regular edition in hardcover and get the extended edition on my Kindle. But, now Amazon (US) doesn't have any listing for the extended edition (They did before; no price listed, but a release date of Nov. 14). Now, I'm not sure what to do....  Who knew being a Beatles fan could be so complicated ??  lol

22 September 2013
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YAY. 

It has finally appeared on some Dutch websites like Bol.com (the Dutch equivalent of Amazon I guess). 

The extended version is like I had sorta calculated, a 145 euros. The other versions are 31 and 25 (it was 35 but it has a discount). Is it just me or is that a huuuuuge difference? Like, I almost can't believe that.

You Never Give Me Your Money is on it too, for only 11.99, and I haven't read that one either...hmm..I know what else I'll order next week besides my schoolbooks!a-hard-days-night-george-10

23 September 2013
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I've asked the publisher for some information regarding precise differences between the two versions. If I hear anything back I'll pass it on.

The price difference does seem staggering. Here in the UK the hardback copies are, on Amazon, £18 (reduced from £30), versus £75 (£120) for the deluxe.

The deluxe Kindle version is being sold in two parts, for £20 each (the single-volume standard Kindle edition can be had for just £15).

The ebook of the extended special edition comes in two parts, mirroring the two hardbacks that make up the deluxe print edition. Each part is sold separately and this is Part One, taking the story from the very beginning to their first, famous trip to Hamburg in 1960. Readers wishing to buy the whole extended special edition of Tune In in ebook should be sure to buy Part One and Part Two. 

£18 is good value for the standard hardback version, but £75 for more detail and photos, that were presumably not considered important enough to make it to the basic version, seems incredibly steep. Double the price would probably be more sensible, maybe a round £50. It feels a little like those lavish (overpriced) Genesis books that are rather cynically aimed at the affluent Beatles fan with money to burn, but we're not all like that.

I may retract all that when my (paid for) deluxe edition arrives. Perhaps it'll come with some cool extras. At the very least I'd like it numbered and signed.

In other news, the Daily Telegraph newspaper has what they call an interview with Mark Lewisohn, though it doesn't seem to have many direct quotes. Right at the end it says: "Lewisohn, who is now 55, and busy with book two, fully expects to be in his seventies before completion". So we're facing, at the very least, a 15-year wait before Drop Out is published.

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23 September 2013
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At this rate I'm going to be 46 when V3 is finally out there!! Still books, might be a thing of the past and we wont have to pay a lot of money for the deluxe.

 

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Little, Brown just sent me the standard spiel that I think is on the deluxe book listing. I guess it's the paper/print quality that's pushing up the price.

The extended special edition of Mark Lewisohn's magisterial book Tune In is a true collector's item, featuring hundreds of thousands of words of extra material, as well as many extra photographs. Designed, printed and bound in Great Britain, this high-quality edition consists of two beautifully produced individual hardbacks printed on New Langely Antique Wove woodfree paper, with red-and-white head and tail bands and red ribbon marker. The two books will sit within a specially designed box and lid featuring soft touch and varnish finishes. The whole product comes shrinkwrapped for extra protection.

Sounds like they're going down the Genesis route then. Here's some info I found about New Langely Antique Wove woodfree paper:

A premium woodfree antique bookwove paper with excellent optical characteristics, smooth surface, good porosity it is also wood and acid free so resistant to aging. Ideal for offset printing, silk screen printing, digital printing to produce hard and soft cover books, brochures, catalogues, business reports, product folders.

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Is it non-rippable (word existence dodgy) and strain resistant? Rather be able to remove any marks/spills etc and not rip it than if it will outlive the folks who buy it and that it smells good in twenty years time.

I suppose we should be grateful that amazon and other places have reduced the price now and nobody with any sense is paying full wack for the tome or waiting and worrying to see if it comes down.

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As soon as my £75 copy arrives I'll try ripping up the pages. If they don't tear I'll drop a load of olive oil and coffee on them. Will report back immediately.

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Joe said
As soon as my £75 copy arrives I'll try ripping up the pages. If they don't tear I'll drop a load of olive oil and coffee on them. Will report back immediately.

Aw, you would do that for us? Don't we feel special.

Someone has to keep their copy pristine so that it can be handed down or rediscovered intact so the world will know the truth and not descend into the Fab Four four faction feuding imagined by mja6758. Hum...perhaps we should put one in a time capsule?

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If the coffee and oil doesn't work I'll try burying it. One way or another I'll defeat this non-wood paper voodoo thing.

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meanmistermustard said
At this rate I'm going to be 46 when V3 is finally out there!! Still books, might be a thing of the past and we wont have to pay a lot of money for the deluxe.

 

I'll be in my 6th decade of life if I live long enough to see V3. If not, I can ask George and John if they think Lewisohn is doing a good job. Too bad I won't have an internet connection so I could let you know their responses.

 

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