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The Beatles: All These Years by Mark Lewisohn
13 September 2013
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This thread might end up being as long as Lewisohn's book.

Perhaps the copies sold in Peru will have Paul's new cd in place of the last two chapters? Which version of the cd hasn't been settled yet. Nigerian's will get half of the the BBC vol 2 disc 1 in a pocket in the front of the book.

14 September 2013
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No chance. The Peru edition would be 2 editions, you'd need to buy that and the collectors edition to get the full Paul album and book and another bonus track not available anywhere else except in Outer Mongolia.

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No chance. The Peru edition would be 2 editions, you'd need to buy that and the collectors edition to get the full Paul album and book and another bonus track not available anywhere else except in Outer Mongolia.

Nice - I've always wondered what Ulaanbaatar is like - this might be my chance.

 

18 September 2013
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I've signed a non-disclosure agreement so can't really mention anything about the contents of the book, but I have a copy and it's as good as I'd dared to hope. You won't be disappointed.

I've got the standard edition; I'm not being sent the deluxe one, so can't compare the two versions until November.


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18 September 2013
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Joe said
I've signed a non-disclosure agreement so can't really mention anything about the contents of the book, but I have a copy and it's as good as I'd dared to hope. You won't be disappointed.

I've got the standard edition; I'm not being sent the deluxe one, so can't compare the two versions until November.


 

You cant post that and leave it there. That's like saying "ive seen your Christmas presents, used them, and believe me they are incredible" in November.

There are 2 months before the deluxe comes out and the anticipation is horrible as it is, I hadn't even factored in the standard copies and people getting them and now some privileged people are getting advanced copies...a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

I might have to set up camp in Waterstones for a month.  They have a café so food wouldn't be a problem.

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Yeah, I know it's unfair. But equally, if you were sent a copy you'd want to tell everyone, wouldn't you? :)

The embargo lifts in a week. I'll try to write a review in the interim, but I've only read 60 pages so far and have a long way to go. I'll keep soldiering on, for everyone's sakes...

One thing to keep an eye on is marklewisohn.net. Nothing's there yet, but it's mentioned in the back of the book so I assume it'll be going live soon.

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Kudos, Joe! Let us all know how it is (when you can, of course!)

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Joe said
Yeah, I know it's unfair. But equally, if you were sent a copy you'd want to tell everyone, wouldn't you? :)

The embargo lifts in a week. I'll try to write a review in the interim, but I've only read 60 pages so far and have a long way to go. I'll keep soldiering on, for everyone's sakes...

One thing to keep an eye on is marklewisohn.net. Nothing's there yet, but it's mentioned in the back of the book so I assume it'll be going live soon.

 

Will your review have spoilers? It's going to be difficult to avoid details as no doubt Tune In will be serialised in the papers as well as loads of places online writing about it but a lot of folk here are wanting to avoid such things.

I know its been discussed here already but will there be a separate thread for the book after release to help those who either haven't gotten to certain points or are waiting for the Deluxe in November? Spoilers are fine until someone forgets and blows it for the others. Tho its going to be incredibly hard ignoring everything, maybe it's easier to just jump in to it and not care about waiting.

Why couldn't the deluxe be released on the same day?

Add in the Doctor Who 50th and avoiding details of that and it's going to be a hard time.

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meanmistermustard said

I know its been discussed here already but will there be a separate thread for the book after release to help those who either haven't gotten to certain points or are waiting for the Deluxe in November? Spoilers are fine until someone forgets and blows it for the others.

I'll go ahead and start the the spoilery thread.

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I think there will be spoilers in the review, yes, but don't worry. A while ago I read/heard an interview with ML where he said "I've given the manuscript to friends who say every single page has revelations on it." So if I mention a few of them, there are probably several hundred others to discover. I started reading it from the start but then began dipping in and out randomly, and there's a hell of a lot in there.

Personally I'd rather have a single thread. Once the book's out, if you're thinking of buying it but don't want to know what's in it, why would you be browsing a discussion about it? Perhaps for the first week or two people can use spoiler tags but thereafter I think anything should be OK.

As for the deluxe, I don't know why they can't release them at the same time. It's frustrating having to wait (yeah, I know, the irony).

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Joe said

Personally I'd rather have a single thread. Once the book's out, if you're thinking of buying it but don't want to know what's in it, why would you be browsing a discussion about it? Perhaps for the first week or two people can use spoiler tags but thereafter I think anything should be OK.

Sometimes you can't help yourself. :-> Every weekend a new Harry Potter came out, I just avoided my computer altogether to avoid temptation or coming across even an accidental reference on Facebook, etc.

Anyway, I'd started the separate thread as you were posting this, Joe, which I would imagine could be put to use for all three books, so at least it's not just a one-off.

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Joe said
Yeah, I know it's unfair. But equally, if you were sent a copy you'd want to tell everyone, wouldn't you? :)

The embargo lifts in a week. I'll try to write a review in the interim, but I've only read 60 pages so far and have a long way to go. I'll keep soldiering on, for everyone's sakes...

One thing to keep an eye on is marklewisohn.net. Nothing's there yet, but it's mentioned in the back of the book so I assume it'll be going live soon.

Joe, from what you've read so far, is the 'wow' factor high? I know you are bound by the agreement, but if you could give us an idea of how astonished we'll be, that would be great!

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Joe said
A while ago I read/heard an interview with ML where he said "I've given the manuscript to friends who say every single page has revelations on it." So if I mention a few of them, there are probably several hundred others to discover. I started reading it from the start but then began dipping in and out randomly, and there's a hell of a lot in there.

I just can't tell you how good and exciting that is to hear. Thanks, Joe!!! apple01

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"Lewisohn has said that the deluxe is not in any way a limited edition, that there will be new print runs of it as needed."

True, but the fact is that the first edition/print run will always be more desirable than subsequent runs. Always better to buy early if possible.

19 September 2013
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Joe said
Personally I'd rather have a single thread. Once the book's out, if you're thinking of buying it but don't want to know what's in it, why would you be browsing a discussion about it? Perhaps for the first week or two people can use spoiler tags but thereafter I think anything should be OK.

I can see your argument, Joe, but I view a separate thread as serving a different purpose. This thread has been about the rumours, build-up, anticipation, speculation, excitement, our moans and groans leading up to publication of Volume One. It will undoubtedly tail off for a little but soon enough will be back with the same for Volume Two and then Three.

A separate post-publication thread will be a place for people to discuss the actual book and its contents, one thing that this thread so far has not really been about, and maybe each volume will be worthy of a separate discussion thread as they arrive. Maybe, as time goes by, the Lewisohn books might even deserve a sub-forum in the Books section.

Not having one long, all-encompassing thread will also, IMO, make it easier for people as they join us should they wish to look at opinion on the book(s), as they wouldn't need to plough through the discussion we've already had to find where we start talking about the actual book (which will become an increasingly difficult navigation prospect as Volumes Two and Three appear should it all be in a single thread).

Obviously, assuming you are thinking of posting your review on the forum (or a link to), where you post it will be the final decision. I know you will consider seriously that there are those who feel discussion of the book deserves a separate thread.

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OK, fine. We'll have separate threads for each book (though no need for the other two just yet), and people can avoid those should they wish.

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Joe, from what you've read so far, is the 'wow' factor high? I know you are bound by the agreement, but if you could give us an idea of how astonished we'll be, that would be great!

I can't really predict how astonished you'll be. Don't forget, The Beatles' story is already incredibly well known. There are few surprises in the narrative - they were born, they went to school, John's mother and Paul's mother died, the boys wrote songs and formed the band, got famous and so on. This book has to follow the same path - there's no getting away from the established facts.

What it does is present the story in widescreen. Or, a better comparison, if you've ever bought a box set of a film, with various extra discs providing behind the scenes info, director's commentary, artwork etc, you get the story beyond the story - how, why and when it was made, in exceptional detail. Or, perhaps, you could buy the text of Lord Of The Rings, or alternatively you could get an expanded edition containing Tolkien's diaries, maps, linguistic notes, appendices and working drafts. You get the picture - you can have the basic story (Philip Norman etc), or you can have much more detail (Mark Lewisohn). Heaven knows what's in the two-book version, because there's so much information in this standard edition alone.

What Lewisohn's done is go beyond the official story (Anthology etc) and dig out the tales that have never been told before. Here's an example, which is a bit of a spoiler but not really (and hopefully minor enough not to get me into trouble). Whereas Hunter Davies or Norman would write something like "Although the boys had been entranced by Elvis, hearing Little Richard's raw vocals on Long Tall Sally was something else entirely", Lewisohn has tracked down and interviewed the person who bought the Long Tall Sally single overseas and brought it back to Liverpool, and is able to describe Lennon's reaction to hearing it for the first time. I can't really say more than that for obvious reasons but you hopefully get the idea.

Plenty of Beatles fans really don't need to know the name of the person who brought Long Tall Sally to Woolton, but it's here, along with thousands of other facts and details. The scope and scale is why this is the definitive biography, and why it most likely cannot be bettered in the future.

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Thanks for sharing that Joe. It sounds as though Mark has really gone the extra mile and then some.

I get what you mean about the basic story. I guess what I was meaning were the "wow moments on every page" that mark has referred to. For example, when he threw Ken Michaels a curveball about them not knowing exactly how they got the EMI contract. Are you finding that you're having to scrub what you know ( quoting ML again) on a lot of things?

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No. The EMI contract thing really is unexpected (and hugely convoluted, but I'll not go into it now), but most of the time the new revelations are more "I never knew that, that's interesting", rather than "Bloody hell, I can't believe it!"

It's about the level of detail that he provides. There aren't wow moments on every page, but you will learn something new with each one. That said, I'm still only 75 pages in (though I have flicked ahead a few times, which is how I know the EMI story) so I'm sure there are plenty more surprises.

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The most important question: Does it have pictures/photos in it? a-hard-days-night-george-10

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I can answer that one without even seeing it. Lewisohn has said one of the differences between the standard and deluxe is that the deluxe has more pictures in it, therefore both must have pictures.

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