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The Beatles: All These Years by Mark Lewisohn. Tune In - What do you think? (Spoilers alert!)
30 October 2013
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parlance said
What a small world! What did you talk about regarding Pete Shotton?

Nothing revelatory, I'm afraid. I asked ML if he interviewed Pete as part of this project, and he told me no, that certain people are just "Beatled out" and he feels Pete may be one of them. We then discussed his illness, and ML said he didn't know what Pete was suffering from—but, honestly, I think he was just being respectful of Pete's privacy and didn't want to tell me. (I had heard a few different things, all of them degenerative diseases.) ML then mentioned Pete's book, which both of us loved, agreeing that some of the anecdotes were absolutely priceless.

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Lennonista said

parlance said
What a small world! What did you talk about regarding Pete Shotton?

Nothing revelatory, I'm afraid. I asked ML if he interviewed Pete as part of this project, and he told me no, that certain people are just "Beatled out" and he feels Pete may be one of them. We then discussed his illness, and ML said he didn't know what Pete was suffering from—but, honestly, I think he was just being respectful of Pete's privacy and didn't want to tell me. (I had heard a few different things, all of them degenerative diseases.) ML then mentioned Pete's book, which both of us loved, agreeing that some of the anecdotes were absolutely priceless.

 

Thanks for sharing that.  A couple of weeks ago, I got a used copy of Pete's book. Very glad to add that to my collection.

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2 November 2013
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Johnny Rogan's review of the Extended Edition:

http://www.irishtimes.com/cult…..-1.1577907?

 

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2 November 2013
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Thanks for moving the above review link, mja. I actually wish the review had more spoilers, or at least some indication of how the two editions differ.

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2 November 2013
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Did you read all three pages? I thought, especially on the third page, he was very clear about how different the editions are.

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Did you read all three pages? I thought, especially on the third page, he was very clear about how different the editions are.

 

Yes, of course. I make a point of not commenting unless I read an article thoroughly.

I think his was a vague description of differences, but there wasn't enough detail to convince someone who was on the fence as to why they might want to expend the extra cash.

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I think, though true he doesn't mention many new spoilers, the last five paragraphs make clear just how huge the differences are, and just how much better Lewisohn comes out of the "Extended" as a writer.

I wasn't meaning to imply you comment without reading the whole thing, but I know I have occasionally found myself missing "next" page links and based an opinion on part of an article.

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I personally don't need convincing, though I'm waiting for the ebook to be available for purchase in the US. But I was just hoping that someone with access to both editions might at least say something like, "Here's an example of one story where you'll find more detail in the extended version than the standard." At least then I might be able to convince my local library that the purchase is worthwhile.

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Though for various reasons it might take time, I think there's a good chance Joe's review may do something of that. ahdn_george_07 And, who knows, I may even decide to offer a review once I've finished it sometime in the middle of next year! heart

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4 November 2013
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I got my book last week and I have just glanced through it, which is not what I expected to do. I expected to devour it in two or three readings. But knowing that the Extended Version is on the way has made me want to hold off. (Besides, I've had an especially busy week and no time to myself until now.) I'm just wondering how many people will be like me and only read one or the other but not both.

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Lennonista said
I got my book last week and I have just glanced through it, which is not what I expected to do. I expected to devour it in two or three readings. But knowing that the Extended Version is on the way has made me want to hold off. (Besides, I've had an especially busy week and no time to myself until now.) I'm just wondering how many people will be like me and only read one or the other but not both.

Well – I'm only reading the standard edition – the other is way too expensive for my level of interest; if he can't say what I need to know in 850 pages the rest would be too minor for me to lose sleep over.  I'm sure folks here will let me know if I miss anything important :)

[EDIT] Finished it this morning as well – a nice read but a few bits dragged so I think that is plenty for me.  Now, how long until part 2?

 

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Lennonista said

I asked ML if he interviewed Pete as part of this project, and he told me no,

Check out this interview, which was taped the day after I met ML. At 3:34, Peeples asked him whom he wished he had interviewed… wonder if our convo influenced his answer.

 

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Though for various reasons it might take time, I think there's a good chance Joe's review may do something of that. ahdn_george_07 And, who knows, I may even decide to offer a review once I've finished it sometime in the middle of next year! heart

I won't be reviewing the extended edition, though I will be reading it. I've just had a dispatch email from hive.co.uk – should be here sometime this week.

Incidentally, since I placed my order they've raised the price from £59.26 to £67.99 (still cheaper than Amazon, and supports independent booksellers). I hope those who wanted it managed to get it at the lower price.

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Lennonista said
I'm just wondering how many people will be like me and only read one or the other but not both.

I am currently reading the US edition only becuase I did not want to wait for the UK Deluxe edition. Amazon UK anticipates it being on my front porch sometime between 20 and 22 November. At that point, I will start all over again from the beginning. And I will love every minute of it.

 

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I guess I could wait until my copy of the book arrives, but I'm too curious to wait. Does the information that parlance posted the other day about the news clippings found at Grosvenor Ballroom contradict the information presented by Lewisohn on the subject of when the group started calling themselves the "Silver Beatles" or "The Beatles"?

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I'm about 250 pages through the US Edition and this book is my new addiction!  I am someone who is rarely late…especially for work.  I'm the Type-A personality who is typically 5 minutes early.  This damn book has made me late for work twice! HA! 

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17 November 2013
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I guess I could wait until my copy of the book arrives, but I'm too curious to wait. Does the information that parlance posted the other day about the news clippings found at Grosvenor Ballroom contradict the information presented by Lewisohn on the subject of when the group started calling themselves the "Silver Beatles" or "The Beatles"?

Lewisohn writes that they dropped Silver from their name before the Scotland trip, probably in mid/late May 1960. He claims that Stuart still preferred writing the Beatals, though. The article about the news clippings assumes they were still called the Silver Beetles in June, but Lewisohn explains that Allan Williams just continued to bill them as the Silver Beetles through the summer, even though they were calling themselves the Beatles by that time.

The article makes another error, stating: "but they did return [to the Grosvenor] on September 15, 1960, ‘making their first appearance since their German tour.'" That's not possible since they were still in Hamburg at the time. They played there in September of 1961.

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Good question and good answer!

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Lennonista said

Ahhh Girl said
I guess I could wait until my copy of the book arrives, but I'm too curious to wait. Does the information that parlance posted the other day about the news clippings found at Grosvenor Ballroom contradict the information presented by Lewisohn on the subject of when the group started calling themselves the "Silver Beatles" or "The Beatles"?

Lewisohn writes that they dropped Silver from their name before the Scotland trip, probably in mid/late May 1960. He claims that Stuart still preferred writing the Beatals, though. The article about the news clippings assumes they were still called the Silver Beetles in June, but Lewisohn explains that Allan Williams just continued to bill them as the Silver Beetles through the summer, even though they were calling themselves the Beatles by that time.

The article makes another error, stating: "but they did return [to the Grosvenor] on September 15, 1960, ‘making their first appearance since their German tour.'" That's not possible since they were still in Hamburg at the time. They played there in September of 1961.

vielen dank, Lennonista. I'm glad we don't already need a revised 2nd edition.

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Ahhh Girl said

vielen dank, Lennonista. I'm glad we don't already need a revised 2nd edition.

Brings up an interesting point. I wonder if, after he's finished with the trilogy, Lewisohn will want to revise as necessary.

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