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The Beatles: All These Years by Mark Lewisohn. Tune In - What do you think? (Spoilers alert!)
18 September 2013
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Since many of us are waiting for the deluxe version of Mark Lewisohn's All These Years to read the book, I suggested starting a separate spoiler thread for those who want to discuss the standard edition (and those who can't to hear about). It sounds like reviewers will be allowed to discuss the book as early as next week, so I figured I'd start the thread sooner than later.

Spoil on!

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18 September 2013
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Cool. Thanks Parlance.apple01

This thread will be 65,000 pages long and be getting added to in 2020 with folks avoiding it in the run up to the third volume.

Now all I have to do is get every newspaper, magazine, website and person to post about All Those Years only in this thread for the next few years. No bother. 

 

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19 September 2013
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If I have understood Joe's post in the other thread correctly, this will be the place to discuss the book for those reading it. I hope you don't mind my change to the title too much parlance.

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19 September 2013
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^^ Just seems a bit long.

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19 September 2013
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Shortest I could think of once Joe agreed there would be a separate thread for each book, and I wanted it to fit with Joe's title for the other thread. I've seen threads with longer titles!

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20 September 2013
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So when do we get some juicy spoilers?

Having just spent all my money on ebay (latest is the Anthology DVD set) it will be a while before I can afford this book – so I'm more than happy to hear anything new as soon as details are allowed to start flowing.

20 September 2013
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Same. It won't be until next year..maaaaybe…before I can buy this book and I can't go on until then without any details and spoilers.

So, spoil on, little friends.

20 September 2013
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From the Telegraph – a sneak peek!

Death of John Lennon's mother at hands of policeman hardened his anti-establishment views, new book claims

The death of John Lennon’s mother at the hands of an off-duty policeman “irrevocably hardened” his anti-establishment views, a new book claims.

* Read exclusive extracts of Tune In by Mark Lewisohn in tomorrow's Telegraph Review.

Julia Lennon was killed when she was knocked over by a car as she crossed the road in 1958.

Although she had given Lennon up age five, at the time of her death the pair had reconciled, leading Lennon to later tell how he felt he had lost her twice.

In his new book Tune In the first of a three-part biography of the group, author and Beatles' historian Mark Lewisohn said the incident caused the “most tremendous heartbreak” for Lennon.

“For John, who’d grown up without Julia from the age of five, losing her again at 17, with such appalling finality, was the most tremendous and irreconcilable heartbreak,” he writes.

“He became more embittered, more cynical, more harsh, more uncompromising, more edgy, more volatile than ever.”

Lewisohn has taken a decade to research and write the 1,000-page book, which follows the group through childhood to 1962.

Lennon had an unorthodox and sometimes controversial relationship with his mother, who taught him to play banjo and bought him his first guitar.

She had given him to her sister, Mimi, to raise but from about the age of 14, Lennon started to spend more time with his mother, eventually moving into the home she shared with her new partner, John ‘Bobby’ Dykins, and their two young daughters.

However in 1958, Dykins was charged with drink driving. He was banned from driving and lost his job. It was this incident, writes Lewisohn, that led Julia to travel to her sister’s on the day of her death and ask her if Lennon could move back in as they were struggling financially. As she walked home she was hit by the car and died instantly aged 44.

The driver – Eric Clague – was a learner who should not have been on the road unaccompanied. Lennon believed he was drunk but there was no mention of alcohol at the inquest, and he was never charged.

“The fatal accident hardened, irrevocably, Lennon’s view of the Establishment, and especially the police,” Lewisohn writes.

“Coming to believe the driver who killed his mother was a ‘drunk off-duty cop’, his respect for authority, and especially the law, crumbled and would only ever worsen.

“Where most people saw law and order, John would only see rank hypocrisy”.

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20 September 2013
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He was banned from driving and lost his job. It was this incident, writes Lewisohn, that led Julia to travel to her sister’s on the day of her death and ask her if Lennon could move back in as they were struggling financially.

That adds an even more heartbreaking element to the story. Just as Julia would have been closer than ever to her son, she was taken away.

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20 September 2013
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OK, I have to say that I've never encountered the words "spoiler alert" in conjunction with a work of non-fiction before. Most peculiar…

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20 September 2013
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vonbontee said
OK, I have to say that I've never encountered the words "spoiler alert" in conjunction with a work of non-fiction before. Most peculiar…

Quite fitting seeing as how the world had never encountered anything like the Beatles before.

20 September 2013
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Yeah, what a great band they are! I hope they never break up… :)

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20 September 2013
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vonbontee said
Yeah, what a great band they are! I hope they never break up… :)

What would make you even think they might break up? Blasphemy!paul-mccartneya-hard-days-night-ringo-6a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

20 September 2013
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vonbontee said
Yeah, what a great band they are! I hope they never break up… :)

I suppose we'll have to wait for Volume Three to find out the answer to that one…

 

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20 September 2013
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mja6758 said

vonbontee said
Yeah, what a great band they are! I hope they never break up… :)

I suppose we'll have to wait for Volume Three to find out the answer to that one…

 

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21 September 2013
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Sorry to say it, but that 'spoiler' from the Tele seems like a questionable bit of amateur psychology.  I am hoping for more facts that we don't know rather than more speculation.

21 September 2013
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The Daily Telegraph in the UK has started printing extracts:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cul…..ennon.html

I believe there's an interview with Mark in today's edition too.

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21 September 2013
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Duh! Note to self – try and post in the right thread next time …

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21 September 2013
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Not a problem, guitarman. This thread has only just got going as information about what's in the book is starting to emerge.

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21 September 2013
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Here's the interview with Mark Lewisohn. Two interesting things popped out at me:

“Richy”, the triumphant survivor of awful childhood traumas, arguably the real hero of Tune In.

and

It has taken a decade to research and write, and Lewisohn, who is now 55, and busy with book two, fully expects to be in his seventies before completion

Arrggh!

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