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Philip Norman's books
29 October 2010
Nowhere Land
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Nicholaevna Romanov said:

I'm reading the John Lennon bio now, Im finding it hard to get into and I much prefer Goldman's (yes I know its more a work of fiction). Philip Norman so far seems to be talking about almost everything else except John Lennon. Hopefully it will get better.

Goldman's the one everyone calls "Goldmine," isn't he?

Still reading Shout! It's kind of funny how much Norman elaborates and tries to relate everything to everything else that has nothing to do with the first everything. 

For example, he quoted a psychologist who declared that the thousands of screaming fans were "subconsciously preparing for childbirth." His reasons: The screams were "rehearsal" and the jelly babies were "symbolic." 

If I was a librarian, I'd probably shelve Shout! in the fiction section. Maybe historical fiction. 

If I seem to act unkind, it's only me, it's not my mind that is confusing things.

19 November 2010
mr. Sun king coming together
Nowhere Land
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19 September 2010

Check this out:

another crazy lie of Norman's

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

19 November 2010
Sitarday's room
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1 May 2010

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Check this out:

another crazy lie of Norman's

Well, I can't blame John.... Paul is quite cute a-hard-days-night-paul-8 a-hard-days-night-john-7



I'm using my sarcasm BTW brian-epstein

Here comes the sun….. Scoobie-doobie…… Something in the way she moves…..attracts me like a cauliflower… Bop. Bop, cat bop. Go, Johnny, Go. Beware of Darkness…  I believe in SH...
19 November 2010
Nicholaevna Romanov
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27 October 2010

Um, wth! I do not recall reading that in the book and the band is about to break up. I do recall Norman saying that John had a sexual attraction to his mother? a-hard-days-night-george-4 Yeah you heard me.

16 February 2011
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16 February 2011

I haven't read Shout! yet, but I really liked "John Lennon, the life" (in Finnish edition,though). Since I'm not a Beatles researcher, it's kind of hard for me to say what is true and what isn't, but the book was really entertaining, and the amount of work Norman has done for it must be enermous. I like how he let so many people speak their opinion, usually without dismissing some of them.

Though I must say, he seems to have something against Paul. This isn't exact quatation since I don't have the original version, but the meaning should stay the same: "John sent Ringo, who was known for his kind and easygoing personality, to speak to Paul about album release times. When he got there, Paul who had worked so hard to be the "nice guy" started shouting and kicked Ringo out. Ringo,however,didn't lose his good personality and--". 

I liked the first childhood part, like many,and I didn't find the "mother lust" thing too absurd. He says that there is a record in which John makes his  famous boob statement, I don't know if it exists but seems likely it does. He had also interviewed that therapist who said John had repeatedly talked about his mother and also things related to that "incident". You know... Julia wasn't really a mother figure for John, so I don't find it too strange if he developed some sexual feelings for her.

I think it's quite strange that people deny the "mccartney-lennon" thing so blatantly. And Norman really didn't overstate the thing. This book has over 700 hundred pages, and only one paragraph in the book is dealing with the issue. His "evidence"was quite hilarious though.Anyone knows if Yoko has repudiated the words that are put into her mouth? Because if they are true, Yoko was either overly jealous or John really wanted a gay relationship...What a word.

I have this feeling that Norman gets kicks when he is writing about gays since the book is flooding( I exaggerate a bit)with stuff related to homosexuality. I mean, most of it is just unnecessary for the subject.He just goes about Elton John... Again,not precise quote:"That night, John and Paul slept together in the same bed like innocent children."    (whatever the word choice was). I mean, if everything was so innocent, why bother mentioning it?

All in all, I think the book was very good and I prefer his version to Kane's bio. I think Kane's  bio was the mean one. About how the beatles were "fooling around" with school girls and he thinks it's very probable that Lennon killed his best friend...(not meaning to, though). I do think Norman's personal opinions are at time pretty outlandish but at least they make me crack up-and he makes clear that they aren't the ultimal truth.

a-hard-days-night-ringo-14Went overboard again...

16 February 2011
Von Bontee
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14 December 2009

I always love to see this thread revived - just because those excerpts Joe quotes at the top are so awesomely awful, and Joe's withering, near-agonized commentary so funny!  Makes me smile everytime I read it.

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!" -- Paul McCartney
16 February 2011
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19 September 2010

I always check this thread out when I'm bored.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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