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Paul McCartney: The Life -- biography by Philip Norman
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He’s definitely softened on George as a musician…he still describes him as grumpy and humorless, mainly after the Beatles split, but honestly I can’t say that I disagree…that’s always how I’ve seen George (much as I dig him) and the recent books about him have only strengthened that conviction.

Grumpy, yesahdn_george_01 but humourless? Really? Sigh… a-hard-days-night-paul-7 

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Maybe it isn’t Norman’s definition of humour xD

And quite frankly, he isn’t the most objective of biographers xP

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I don’t mind saying that the latter half of that extract just about broke my heart. I mean, it wasn’t anything new, but still. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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How’s he treating John, @DrBeatle ?

How does it compare with the Lennon bio? Does he go back on a few things, or is it consistent with his claims on there?

It’s consistent with how he portrayed him the Lennon book. Certainly helps if you’ve read the Lennon book first, that’s for sure!

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Here’s my review…I had to sit on it (by request of the publisher) until today when the book was released here in the US

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DrBeatle

Good review!

By contrast, here’s a wordier review in the New Yorker.

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Good review!

By contrast, here’s a wordier review in the New Yorker.

New Yorker review

 

Thanks! The one thing I want to stress is for people to not judge it by whatever excerpts they read (looking at you, Daily Mail)…they’re taken so badly out of context that they come off like being from a totally different book. Read it and judge for yourself. 🙂

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You know you’re a Beatles fan when…. you scan the New Yorker article and find 2 major errors without even trying.

1. McCartney was NOT the first non-Beatles album to be released by a Beatle (they said it was)

2. The Beatles DID record Shout (they said they didn’t)

I’m sure that I would have found more if I had really focused on the text. Also, why is half of that review about a different book?

 

Anyway, I liked your review, @DrBeatle. I probably still won’t get the book, though. Norman has written far too many awful things to/about the Beatles. Has he ever apologised for that letter to Paul, that dreadful obituary about George, or any of his other transgressions?

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You know you’re a Beatles fan when…. you scan the New Yorker article and find 2 major errors without even trying.

1. McCartney was NOT the first non-Beatles album to be released by a Beatle (they said it was)

2. The Beatles DID record Shout (they said they didn’t)

I’m sure that I would have found more if I had really focused on the text. Also, why is half of that review about a different book?

On your first mistake, the article actually says McCartney was “the first post-Beatles album”. “Post” means “after”. Since Paul used the McCartney album to announce his leaving of The Beatles, McCartney is most definitely the first solo album released after the announcement of The Beatles split.

As to the line about Shout, when I read it nothing struck me wrong, as though a recording may exist (done for Around The Beatles), it was never recorded for EMI and released by them at the time, and I read it as being a reference to their studio work for EMI.

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Well, if you look at it that way, then McCartney isn’t a post-Beatles album, either. The split wasn’t officially announced until later, and the album was created before anyone outside the Beatlesphere knew the band was breaking up. 

 

As for Shout, the article states ‘the Beatles never recorded it’. It doesn’t specify they didn’t record it for EMI. there is a recording of it, therefore it’s been recorded. My point still stands  a-hard-days-night-paul-11

But anyway, I’m still not interested in Norman’s book. a-hard-days-night-paul-5

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Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< said
You know you’re a Beatles fan when…. you scan the New Yorker article and find 2 major errors without even trying.

1. McCartney was NOT the first non-Beatles album to be released by a Beatle (they said it was)

2. The Beatles DID record Shout (they said they didn’t)

I’m sure that I would have found more if I had really focused on the text. Also, why is half of that review about a different book?

 

Anyway, I liked your review, @DrBeatle. I probably still won’t get the book, though. Norman has written far too many awful things to/about the Beatles. Has he ever apologised for that letter to Paul, that dreadful obituary about George, or any of his other transgressions?

 

Yes, he did apologize for the things he’d written in the past, in the foreword to the book. He readily admits in the book how wrong and unfair he was toward Paul and how he now has a new appreciation and respect and, dare I say, admiration for him. I wouldn’t NOT read the book based on what he said in the past, especially given how his attitude has evolved and changed.

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Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< said
You know you’re a Beatles fan when…. you scan the New Yorker article and find 2 major errors without even trying.

1. McCartney was NOT the first non-Beatles album to be released by a Beatle (they said it was)

2. The Beatles DID record Shout (they said they didn’t)

I’m sure that I would have found more if I had really focused on the text. Also, why is half of that review about a different book?

 

Anyway, I liked your review, @DrBeatle. I probably still won’t get the book, though. Norman has written far too many awful things to/about the Beatles. Has he ever apologised for that letter to Paul, that dreadful obituary about George, or any of his other transgressions?

 

Yes, he did apologize for the things he’d written in the past, in the foreword to the book. He readily admits in the book how wrong and unfair he was toward Paul and how he now has a new appreciation and respect and, dare I say, admiration for him. I wouldn’t NOT read the book based on what he said in the past, especially given how his attitude has evolved and changed.

Out of interest has he apologised for writing that obituary about George? 

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Well, if you look at it that way, then McCartney isn’t a post-Beatles album, either. The split wasn’t officially announced until later, and the album was created before anyone outside the Beatlesphere knew the band was breaking up.

There never was an official announcement that The Beatles had split beyond the McCartney press release. After that, it was just events and the actions of the four that showed they had split. Paul’s press release is widely seen (to the degree that I’ve never seen any other date for the announcement of the split) as the moment when the rumours that had been swirling around for months were confirmed.

Joe, in his 10 April 1970 article about the press release, titled “Paul McCartney announces The Beatles’ split“, says:

McCartney’s self-interview caused an immediate storm after its contents were revealed by Daily Mirror journalist Don Short, and its contents were widely reported around the world. Although speculation had been rife for the previous six months, confirmation that the group was no more still came as a shock to many.

Although McCartney did not directly say that The Beatles had split up, his disparaging comments about the group, their management by Allen Klein and his assertion that Lennon-McCartney would not become an active songwriting team effectively cut the ties.

Paul’s press release is the statement considered to have announced The Beatles’ split. It became public on 10 April. McCartney was released on 17 April, making it the first album released after what most regard the date when The Beatles’ was made public.

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I thought I read somewhere a long time ago that after the Anthology project they released an announcement that the band had broken up, or am I just remembering wrong?

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DrBeatle said

Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< said
You know you’re a Beatles fan when…. you scan the New Yorker article and find 2 major errors without even trying.

1. McCartney was NOT the first non-Beatles album to be released by a Beatle (they said it was)

2. The Beatles DID record Shout (they said they didn’t)

I’m sure that I would have found more if I had really focused on the text. Also, why is half of that review about a different book?

 

Anyway, I liked your review, @DrBeatle. I probably still won’t get the book, though. Norman has written far too many awful things to/about the Beatles. Has he ever apologised for that letter to Paul, that dreadful obituary about George, or any of his other transgressions?

 

Yes, he did apologize for the things he’d written in the past, in the foreword to the book. He readily admits in the book how wrong and unfair he was toward Paul and how he now has a new appreciation and respect and, dare I say, admiration for him. I wouldn’t NOT read the book based on what he said in the past, especially given how his attitude has evolved and changed.

Out of interest has he apologised for writing that obituary about George? 

I don’t think that was touched on in the book, and he still took a few swipes at George…calling him humorless after the mid-1970s, which he did, is actually accurate, but he also called him dour and humorless during the Beatles years, which was not true. George kind of lost that dry wit and humor and became pretty morose and preachy and humorless around the time of Bagladesh and really sank into it around Dark Horse . *shrug* But it wasn’t a book about George, anyway, so… 🙂

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After finding his way back with Olivia’s help George really brightened up and the humour, dry wit and fun side really came back. To judge his entire solo career on a few lost years is very harsh in my eyes. There are countless reports of how much fun George was to be around and you can see it if you look in the right places; the press totally pissed him off and he didn’t pretend that he wanted to play their games and get shafted or jump when they said so.

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After finding his way back with Olivia’s help George really brightened up and the humour, dry wit and fun side really came back. To judge his entire solo career on a few lost years is very harsh in my eyes. There are countless reports of how much fun George was to be around and you can see it if you look in the right places; the press totally pissed him off and he didn’t pretend that he wanted to play their games and get shafted or jump when they said so.

I dunno, he was very grumpy during the Anthology era, although his dry wit did come through in several parts of the documentary. Maybe he was resentful that he had to finally agree to do it because he needed the $$ at the time? I dunno. He seemed to finally soften once and for all toward the end, though, which is good.

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I must say I’m not too keen on reading this book, considering the bad things I’ve heard/read about his previous Beatles related books. However, I did just read that third extract and it’s well written, very sad as well. 

Going to read both reviews and will then decide if I think it’s worth my time. I still got about a quarter of the Lewisohn book left to read as well.

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