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19 August 2013
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There was a slideshow about that back in February on NME.com:

 

http://www.nme.com/blogs/the-b.....nset-strip

 

I love the Abbey Road one...some other classic albums in there, too! It's neat seeing the old cars and stuff in the backgrounds as well.

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21 August 2013
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Apologies in advance for the distressing topic. From Newsday via BeatlesNews:

Ever since John Lennon was tragically gunned down in 1980, it has been widely and persistently reported that the former Beatle spoke a few minutes after he was shot. Jim O'Donnell, a noted Beatles' author, refutes the story with new research, showing that Lennon did not linger in agony for minutes and speak, but rather died swiftly in seconds.

More at the link.

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21 August 2013
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Hmmm, interesting. I'd always read that he said "I'm shot!" after he was shot, staggered up the stairs, and collapsed. And that when the cops were rushing him in their cruiser to the hospital, they asked him his name and he managed to splutter it out before fading out of consciousness. I'd also read he was NOT DOA but rather died during resuscitation attempts. Obviously there was no way he'd ever survive those injuries in any case, but I'd never heard any evidence in 33 years that it was a swift and painless death. Either way, it makes me so sad to think of it again...poor John :cry:

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21 August 2013
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^ I have mostly read the exact opposite to you, that he died instantly. I really bloody hope so, anyway.

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21 August 2013
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I'm afraid I've read pretty much the same as DrBeatle, including statements from the two police officers from that drove him to the hospital. The only difference in what I have read is that he was DOA at the hospital, and that is certainly Dr. Lynn's statement - though, obviously, they tried to resuscitate him since there is a window to bring somebody back. Such a stupid, pointless loss of such a great man.

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21 August 2013
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I've looked and that's what it says at Wikipedia, that he spoke shortly after it happened and, possibly, in the car too. I'd forgotten ever reading that anywhere. And here was I thinking that at least it had been quick.

 

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21 August 2013
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My understanding of what happened is that John staggered up the Dakota steps to the doorman saying that he had been shot, he was transported to a car due to the seriousness of his injuries and whilst in the car he was asked if he knew who he was, John did, replying with his name. At the hospital they tried to resuscitate him but it was simply not possible due to the damage the bullets had made and the loss of blood.

God, that's horrible reading.

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21 August 2013
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^^ That's what I'd read, MMM.

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21 August 2013
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I've read, like Dr Beatle, that John did speak in the car. Unfortunately, he did not die instantaneously. A fact that "supports" that is the fact Yoko was in a waiting room at the hospital (according to multiple sources) waiting while they tried to revive John. If John was DOA, then she probably wouldn't have been there hanging around. Either way...is anyone else disturbed that somebody actually wrote a book about John's last moments of life??? It is something I've been trying to forget and certainly do not want to relive!

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21 August 2013
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Dr. Stephen Lynn, who struggled to resuscitate John on the night, gave the statement, "John Lennon was brought to the emergency room this evening shortly before 11 PM. He was dead on arrival."

In truth, John breathed his last breath in the back of the police car. Just because someone is DOA when they arrive at a hospital does not mean that resuscitation attempts will not be made when you are, as in this instance, within minutes of death. There is a window available where somebody can be brought back.

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21 August 2013
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O'Donnell's premise for his book sounds more like a man who desperately wants to believe that Lennon died instantly because he can't bear the thought  (understandably) that he may have lingered in pain. It's hard to see how he could have irrefutable evidence that he did die instantly, especially this long after the event.

If Lennon was still alive when put in the police car and did speak (as seems likely), it doesn't necessarily follow that he was in agony. Trauma of that degree, and the sudden, massive blood loss, would probably have put him beyond pain. 

Sorry, it's horrible to even write this.

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22 August 2013
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There have been books that have written about John's killing, one is 'Let Me Take You Down' which looks into Johns murderer.  There was a murder casebook file magazine series which had one edition in 1990 focus on Johns killing.

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22 August 2013
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There have also been a couple of films. 2008's Chapter 27 had Chapman played by Jared Leto, and Lennon played by an actor called - a little disturbingly - Mark Lindsay Chapman.

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22 August 2013
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mja6758 said
There have also been a couple of films. 2008's Chapter 27 had Chapman played by Jared Leto, and Lennon played by an actor called - a little disturbingly - Mark Lindsay Chapman.

ITV (one of the main tv's channel in the uk for anyone who doesnt know) also aired a documentary, either last year or the year before, that examined Johns last few days. 

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22 August 2013
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Did it uncover anything new?

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22 August 2013
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LadyBay said
a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Did it uncover anything new?

Never watched it. ITV is normally a load of adverts surrounded by a bit of a tv programme (very rarely watch the channel), and i find it very difficult reading about Johns death so have no intention of seeing it unfold on my tv.

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23 August 2013
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* Ringo's publishing a children's book based on Octupus's Garden.

 

An image from Ringo's book was posted at his official Facebook with this info:

Here’s an exclusive look at the artwork from the forthcoming picture book of Octopus’s Garden – publishing this October, the song will be brought to life by illustrator Ben Cort and published with a CD of Ringo reading the story and an original, previously un-heard recording of the song by Ringo.

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24 August 2013
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Article about a book on George's HandMade films, Very Naughty Boys.

Robert Sellers's new book Very Naughty Boys, named after the famous lines in Life Of Brian, "He's not the Messiah he's a very naughty boy", tells the amazing true story of George Harrison's film company. HandMade Films made some of the most iconic British movies of the Eighties but what started as a goodhumoured venture ended in tears, recrimination and expensive lawsuits. It is a tale of excess, outrageous behaviour, duplicity and betrayal and the egos and eccentricities of some of the biggest celebrities of the age.

 

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25 August 2013
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Regarding the above topic of exactly when John Lennon died, it's obviously somewhat academic: he was barely conscious in the back of the police car and beyond resuscitation at the Roosevelt ER. I doubt he suffered much. He quickly felt weak, then faint, then passed out - that's what would happen with any blood loss from any cause.

[As some of you already know, the night he was shot, I was working in the St Lukes ER, St Lukes being the other half of the St Lukes-Roosevelt hospital. I have always wondered how I might have reacted and behaved had the cop car made a left turn up Central Park West towards St Lukes  instead of a right turn - seeing my idol for the first time, but as a corpse. Would I have kept a memento? The IV tubing? Some hair? Would I have known what the 'right' thing was and done it? Maybe there's a book in this [since this is a book thread] where I play out all the different scenarios ranging from "Good Ron" to "Bad Ron"]

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25 August 2013
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 There is only one question, as no-one here thinks you would be "Bad Ron", is there anything you think could have been done that wasn't? I know you would have been as respectful as Dr. Lynn that night about destroying "souvenirs". As the other doctor who might have found yourself with his heart in your hand, do you think the outcome would have been different?

I know your answer, I know there was nothing that could be done, but you would have tried everything and unwillingly accepted defeat, be they John Lennon or Joe Public.

Don't ever question what you would have done had the police swung left instead of right. You would have tried everything that was tried, and still have had a chest so destroyed by "hollow points" that there was nothing that could be done.

You know it. I know it. His chest was so comprehensively destroyed that there was nothing that even the best doctor on the planet could have changed the outcome.

Do you know Dr. Lynn? Do you think he would allow Joe to ask for his thoughts about that dreadful day for our site? Just a thought.

best wishes

Mark

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