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6.30am
8 November 2012
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Looking forward to them!
parlance
1.28pm
29 November 2012
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I bought MacDonald's book when it first came out in '94 and it's one I read probably once a year ever since…I disagree with some of his criticisms, and he's pretty acerbic, but it's a great book.
Doggett's is one of the best I've read in a LONG time and I learned a TON of stuff I didn't know before. And it's been extensively researched and he had access to many people who had gone to ground for years (Magic Alex! Yoko! and others) so it's a fantastic book.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on those after you read them. I'm going to re-read for the zillionth time the Anthology book and all of Lewisohn's books next, those are real treasure troves of info
11.03pm
21 November 2012
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*makes notes*
Great! Will definitely check the library. Unfortunately they don't have any of Lewisohns books in any library here in Holland 
6.42pm
3 May 2012
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Someone mentioned May Pang´s book, Loving John. That´s a book I´ve been meaning to get for quite some time now, has anyone read it and can give feedback? 
7.00pm
8 November 2012
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I don't know if I can add much more than what I posted above about it. But she's a good writer and it's obviously a very personal account. But again, it's gets pretty grim when referencing the abuse.
parlance
7.04pm
29 November 2012
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The interview Joe has on here with her is great, too. She's very honest and candid about it all, especially her feelings toward Yoko (as an avowed Yoko-hater, I enjoyed it 8) )
11.41pm
8 November 2012
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DrBeatle said
I'd love to hear your thoughts on those after you read them. I'm going to re-read for the zillionth time the Anthology book and all of Lewisohn's books next, those are real treasure troves of info
They just arrived at the library so I'll be inhaling them soon. ;->
parlance
4.23am
17 December 2012
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fabfouremily said
Someone mentioned May Pang´s book, Loving John. That´s a book I´ve been meaning to get for quite some time now, has anyone read it and can give feedback?
Been a while since I've read it, she writes well and very evocatively, it also appears a more honest view of life with Lennon than I think either Cynthia or Yoko have given over the years. I'd recommend it if you're prepared for John's feet of clay.
5.26pm
3 May 2012
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mja6758 said
fabfouremily said
Someone mentioned May Pang´s book, Loving John. That´s a book I´ve been meaning to get for quite some time now, has anyone read it and can give feedback?Been a while since I've read it, she writes well and very evocatively, it also appears a more honest view of life with Lennon than I think either Cynthia or Yoko have given over the years. I'd recommend it if you're prepared for John's feet of clay.
Okay, thanks. I´m going to get it within the next few weeks
8.03pm
1 December 2009
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Yeah, there's a copy of Loving John on the shelf at the library I frequent, I've been planning to get to that one for awhile myself. I'm reading other things now but I'll get to it soon enough, don't worry.
I'm fully prepared for whatever sordidness. (In fact, I relish it)
5.02am
17 December 2012
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fabfouremily said
mja6758 said
fabfouremily said
Someone mentioned May Pang´s book, Loving John. That´s a book I´ve been meaning to get for quite some time now, has anyone read it and can give feedback?Been a while since I've read it, she writes well and very evocatively, it also appears a more honest view of life with Lennon than I think either Cynthia or Yoko have given over the years. I'd recommend it if you're prepared for John's feet of clay.
Okay, thanks. I´m going to get it within the next few weeks
vonbontee said
Yeah, there's a copy of Loving John on the shelf at the library I frequent, I've been planning to get to that one for awhile myself. I'm reading other things now but I'll get to it soon enough, don't worry.I'm fully prepared for whatever sordidness. (In fact, I relish it)
I think it's a great book and well worth the read. The only caveat I would add regarding its accuracy is the one she added during her interview with Joe in 2011:
Your book Loving John has been long out of print. I heard you're working on a revised edition. Can you say any more about that?
I had a lot of issues with that book. My intention was to write a balanced and accurate account of our time together. The publisher edited the book almost in half, keeping the more controversial stories while disregarding the good, productive side. They didn't think it would sell. Obviously, I wasn't going to whitewash the story and I didn't. But I'd like to restore some of the context. There was plenty of good.
Joe's interview with her is great, and I highly recommend for an idea of how she remembers John.
http://www.beatlesbible.com/fe…..view-2011/
There's also this great pictures of John and Paul. Maybe one of the last:
4.32pm
8 November 2012
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DrBeatle said
I bought MacDonald's book when it first came out in '94 and it's one I read probably once a year ever since…I disagree with some of his criticisms, and he's pretty acerbic, but it's a great book.Doggett's is one of the best I've read in a LONG time and I learned a TON of stuff I didn't know before. And it's been extensively researched and he had access to many people who had gone to ground for years (Magic Alex! Yoko! and others) so it's a fantastic book.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on those after you read them. I'm going to re-read for the zillionth time the Anthology book and all of Lewisohn's books next, those are real treasure troves of info
Dr. Beatle, I haven't yet read MacDonald's book (that's next), but I just finished Doggett's book, and I agree. It's one of the best books on the Beatles I've read so far. His commentary is so sharp, and I'm amazed how well he was able to synthesize all that information in a coherent form, and give us a perspective on where the Beatles' heads were when they made their business decisions. I like that he strove to be as objective as possible, citing the ways all the Beatles were responsible for their dissolution, making Klein less villainous and Magic Alex less inept (whether or not others agree with his assessments, I just don't find the one-dimensional portrayals insightful). I definitely learned a few things; that Paul initially approved Spector's production of "The Long and Winding Road," then later changed his mind when it was too late. Also, I was surprised to learn how bitter George was on the issue of Paul asking him to collaborate post-Beatles – at least until the Anthology. My gosh, he was relentlessly cranky.
I have a couple of tiny criticisms – namely that he seems to give a little too much credence to Francie Schwartz's account of events, as she's generally not regarded as a reliable source. And I wish he'd spent less time on Paul's divorce – I had a hard time seeing how it was relevant to the rest of the story, and a cynical part of me suspects that part was included to make the book more marketable. But again, tiny criticisms. It's a great book, and I'll be looking to get a permanent copy.
BTW, if you haven't read Tony Barrow's book, I think it makes a nice companion piece to Doggett's (I read it just before and I found that each book filled in some of the other's gaps).
I thought you might be interested in this extensive interview with Doggett if you haven't seen it (came across it via his blog):
Oomska talks to: Peter Doggett
Doggett talks at the end about his latest book on David Bowie. I didn't know that MacDonald took his own life, and it turns out that the book Doggett put out on Bowie was originally to be written by MacDonald.
parlance
9.38pm
17 January 2013
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mja6758 said
There's also this great pictures of John and Paul. Maybe one of the last:
Yes, I do believe that is the last picture taken of them together.
"..Turn off your mind relax and float down stream... It is not dying.."
12.55am
1 December 2009
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Nice photo
1.11am
17 December 2012
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I love the way John almost looks like Beatle John, circa '64-65 – back when he loved his Dylan cap. It's good to see the two looking so relaxed together. My comment about "maybe one of the last" was just was this the final photograph of the two taken by May Pang that day. You can bet this is one of a series of shots she took of them together. I would love to see more, maybe when her revised edition of Loving John is published, giving more of the balance she wanted in the original, she might include more shots.
8.32am
1 May 2011
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To that they had a good time meeting up without Yoko around, that they both could relax and enjoy themselves, is some comfort. Maybe for John it was like having two wives around considering how close he and Paul were and what they had been thru, something no matter what Yoko could never understand or experience.
Maybe someone took a photo of when John, Paul, Yoko and Linda met in '76 at the Dakota, someone else was there but i cant remember who. You never know what will turn up.
2.17am
8 November 2012
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I'm halfway through Ian MacDonald's book, and came across this amusing snippet about For the Benefit of Mr. Kite:
Taking it to Abbey Road, [John] asked George Martin for a "fairground" production wherein one could smell the sawdust – which, while not in the narrowest sense a musical specification, was, by Lennon's standards, a clear and reasonable request. (He once asked Martin to make one of his songs sound like an orange.)
LOL. George Martin had the patience of a saint. You think when he got those kinds of requests, he was ever tempted to ask John if he was just messing with him? 
parlance
3.42pm
29 November 2012
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parlance said
DrBeatle said
I bought MacDonald's book when it first came out in '94 and it's one I read probably once a year ever since…I disagree with some of his criticisms, and he's pretty acerbic, but it's a great book.Doggett's is one of the best I've read in a LONG time and I learned a TON of stuff I didn't know before. And it's been extensively researched and he had access to many people who had gone to ground for years (Magic Alex! Yoko! and others) so it's a fantastic book.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on those after you read them. I'm going to re-read for the zillionth time the Anthology book and all of Lewisohn's books next, those are real treasure troves of info
Dr. Beatle, I haven't yet read MacDonald's book (that's next), but I just finished Doggett's book, and I agree. It's one of the best books on the Beatles I've read so far. His commentary is so sharp, and I'm amazed how well he was able to synthesize all that information in a coherent form, and give us a perspective on where the Beatles' heads were when they made their business decisions. I like that he strove to be as objective as possible, citing the ways all the Beatles were responsible for their dissolution, making Klein less villainous and Magic Alex less inept (whether or not others agree with his assessments, I just don't find the one-dimensional portrayals insightful). I definitely learned a few things; that Paul initially approved Spector's production of "The Long and Winding Road," then later changed his mind when it was too late. Also, I was surprised to learn how bitter George was on the issue of Paul asking him to collaborate post-Beatles – at least until the Anthology. My gosh, he was relentlessly cranky.
I have a couple of tiny criticisms – namely that he seems to give a little too much credence to Francie Schwartz's account of events, as she's generally not regarded as a reliable source. And I wish he'd spent less time on Paul's divorce – I had a hard time seeing how it was relevant to the rest of the story, and a cynical part of me suspects that part was included to make the book more marketable. But again, tiny criticisms. It's a great book, and I'll be looking to get a permanent copy.
BTW, if you haven't read Tony Barrow's book, I think it makes a nice companion piece to Doggett's (I read it just before and I found that each book filled in some of the other's gaps).
I thought you might be interested in this extensive interview with Doggett if you haven't seen it (came across it via his blog):
Oomska talks to: Peter Doggett
Doggett talks at the end about his latest book on David Bowie. I didn't know that MacDonald took his own life, and it turns out that the book Doggett put out on Bowie was originally to be written by MacDonald.
parlance
I agree with you, Doggett managed to take something as dry as their business and interpersonal dealings and turned it into a gripping narrative. Thanks for the link for that interview, I have seen it but it's worth another read; he's an interesting guy with a unique perspective on things, a huge fan who also maneges to be almost right-down-the-middle objective, which is no easy feat! I did see on his blog he also discusses why he wanted to interview Magic Alex and what his impressions were. As usual, the truth most likely lies in between the caricature he's been made out to be by history, and Doggett's portrait, although my gut tells me it's still probably weighted more toward the caricature 
I haven't read Barrow's book yet…that and Alistair Taylor's are next up on my list. I did read Tony Bramwell's book…it was *ok* but I don't know how much to take seriously…for such a minor figure in Beatles history, he was (supposedly) like Forrest Gump…in the right place at the right time for so many pivotal moments…so much so though that, frankly, it beggars belief!
9.53pm
18 March 2013
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Linde said
GAH!Just checked the website of my local library and they don't have You Never Give Me Your Money (and not in other locations either. My library can just order books from other locations)
I was quite surprised to learn my local one only owns a few Beatles books. They don't have the one I just mentioned, nor any of Lewisohn's books. They do have all these crappy half arsed biographies and novels which were named after songs such as Yesterday and some book called Walrusblood and stuff like that. DAFUQ. They also had a book on Rory Storm and a book called ''Mommy who are the Beatles?'', with which you can teach your kids everything about them. Their selection kinda surprises me.
I was also surprised to see they had a bio on Ringo, which you don't often see. I'd like to read one, as he is the one I know the least about I think, but I checked some reviews and they told me it was poorly written. Such a shame! He deserves a proper biography.
They did have ''John'' by Cynthia though, which is good because I wanted to read it and there was some book about the recordingsessions of the White Album, which I don't know much about.
Has anyone read Shout! by Philip Norman? I'm reading reviews right now, but they're very mixed, which I haven't really seen before on Beatles books. They were either great or crap. And I remember reading something about Revolution in the head in this thread, was it good?
So what else are good books about them? I'd like books which also talk about them individually for a bit.
Be lucky your library has Beatles books. The good, old, reliable library in my town has a book on Elvis, a book on Shayne Ward and a Britney Spears book in the music section 
Oh I forgot about the 1960s quiz book which said that John was the oldest Beatle *bangs head repeatedly on keyboard*
2.46am
27 December 2012
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AppleScruffJunior said
Linde said
GAH!Just checked the website of my local library and they don't have You Never Give Me Your Money (and not in other locations either. My library can just order books from other locations)
I was quite surprised to learn my local one only owns a few Beatles books. They don't have the one I just mentioned, nor any of Lewisohn's books. They do have all these crappy half arsed biographies and novels which were named after songs such as Yesterday and some book called Walrusblood and stuff like that. DAFUQ. They also had a book on Rory Storm and a book called ''Mommy who are the Beatles?'', with which you can teach your kids everything about them. Their selection kinda surprises me.
I was also surprised to see they had a bio on Ringo, which you don't often see. I'd like to read one, as he is the one I know the least about I think, but I checked some reviews and they told me it was poorly written. Such a shame! He deserves a proper biography.
They did have ''John'' by Cynthia though, which is good because I wanted to read it and there was some book about the recordingsessions of the White Album, which I don't know much about.
Has anyone read Shout! by Philip Norman? I'm reading reviews right now, but they're very mixed, which I haven't really seen before on Beatles books. They were either great or crap. And I remember reading something about Revolution in the head in this thread, was it good?
So what else are good books about them? I'd like books which also talk about them individually for a bit.
Be lucky your library has Beatles books. The good, old, reliable library in my town has a book on Elvis, a book on Shayne Ward and a Britney Spears book in the music section
Well by age he isn't but John Lennon was the oldest Beatle, he was one of the Quarrymen
"When I was a robber *Piano Chord* in Boston Place"
"Let's hope this turns out pretty darn good huh"
"Pete may be the best, but Ringo is the star"
Paul:"Don't be nervous John"
John:"I 'm not"
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