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Anthology Albums 1, 2 & 3
17 August 2011
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meanmistermustard
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The Anthologys are a great intro for getting into bootlegs.

Along with the many hightlights (In Spite Of All The Danger, TNK, You Know To Do to name but 3) there are many pointless edits (While My Guitar Gently Loops Endlessly, Not Guilty senselessly butchered into such a crummy version, How Do You Do It? (why on earth edit one line)) and some of the later year takes (Hello Goodbye, Penny Lane, I Will) are too similar to the final released versions to arouse interest.

 

And why ignore take 11 of What You're Doing yet include take 4 of Mr Moonlight!!

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
17 August 2011
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Alissa said:

I suppose my only beef with the albums is the tampering with tracks that were meant to be… untampered with!

No. No no no. These same edits (Or similar edits) would have occurred in 1965 as occurred in 1995. These songs were viewed as, let's be honest, the crap. Therefore, to make what wasn't good enough 30 years earlier worthy of release, they edited. In much of the same way things were edited in 1969. Was it "tampering" George Martin did on Strawberry Fields, editing two separate takes into one song (the exact process used in Anthology)? Of course not. Same thing here. It's a peeve of mine that people cry foul over something that the Beatles had done earlier in their career.

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17 August 2011
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

Alissa said:

I suppose my only beef with the albums is the tampering with tracks that were meant to be… untampered with!

No. No no no. These same edits (Or similar edits) would have occurred in 1965 as occurred in 1995. These songs were viewed as, let's be honest, the crap. Therefore, to make what wasn't good enough 30 years earlier worthy of release, they edited. In much of the same way things were edited in 1969. Was it "tampering" George Martin did on Strawberry Fields, editing two separate takes into one song (the exact process used in Anthology)? Of course not. Same thing here. It's a peeve of mine that people cry foul over something that the Beatles had done earlier in their career.

There is a difference, in my opinion, between the officially released proper versions and the outtakes because they are outtakes. No one is going to say that lucy in the sky (i use it as an example) is better because its had the organ part of take 54 put in over the original bass of take 42 than if it was left alone because it will always be compared with the officially released one, as that is the standard by which it is rightly measured with. I dont believe that any of the outtakes, alternates are better than the originals, tho some are darn good. The Beatles chose the best versions is the ultimate message from The Anthology's.

Therefore i'd rather have the full take 21 of any song than some hybrid.

If someone call tell me why WMGGW is improved due to the end loop i'd like to hear it. Same goes for the editing job on Not Guilty which was abysmal.

However its a personal thing. And thats why the Anthology is a great intro to the world of bootlegs. You hear the alternates, enjoy them for what they are, and maybe find they are edited and go and get the unedited.  

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17 August 2011
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meanmistermustard said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Alissa said:

I suppose my only beef with the albums is the tampering with tracks that were meant to be… untampered with!

No. No no no. These same edits (Or similar edits) would have occurred in 1965 as occurred in 1995. These songs were viewed as, let's be honest, the crap. Therefore, to make what wasn't good enough 30 years earlier worthy of release, they edited. In much of the same way things were edited in 1969. Was it "tampering" George Martin did on Strawberry Fields, editing two separate takes into one song (the exact process used in Anthology)? Of course not. Same thing here. It's a peeve of mine that people cry foul over something that the Beatles had done earlier in their career.

There is a difference, in my opinion, between the officially released proper versions and the outtakes because they are outtakes. No one is going to say that Lucy in the Sky (i use it as an example) is better because its had the organ part of take 54 put in over the original bass of take 42 than if it was left alone because it will always be compared with the officially released one, as that is the standard by which it is rightly measured with.

I know all that. But if you want people to buy Anthology, you need it to be good music. You can't have it be complete shit. So they edited it to make sure it was an enjoyable listen, on top of an interesting listen.

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17 August 2011
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

I know all that. But if you want people to buy Anthology, you need it to be good music. You can't have it be complete shit. So they edited it to make sure it was an enjoyable listen, on top of an interesting listen.

If they wanted an interesting and enjoyable listen with the Anthology's they should have ditched Mary Jane. Neither interesting or listenable, just 6 minutes of unlistenable garbage – 6 minutes!! Even the remix didnt make it bareable.

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4 June 2012
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I'm a big fan of the Anthology albums they're amazing, it's better than any bootlegs, i think if you've got anthology you don't need bootlegs i just miss very few songs (love of the loved, it's for you, tip of my tongue, carnival of lights, window window)

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4 June 2012
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For me the anthology series are a good introduction to the bootlegs, however there is so much amazing music out there that is not officially available eg the complete bbc sessions, the strawberry fields outtakes, what youre doing take 11, some of the live concerts (candlestick park '66), the esher demos.

Plus the anthology has the most pointless edit ever known in the history of music namely Not Guilty. I have no idea what they were thinking when making a great song into a piece of worthless garbage, turning a heavily frustrated song into a gutless whimper. Worse still they were using a crappy edit made in the 80's, they could easily have went back to the master take when compiling the series in the 90's and given us something listenable.

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16 June 2012
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apple01The anthology series (d.v.d/book/audio) are a necessary piece to any complete Beatles collection. The real gems of the audio series are the unreleased songs. Tracks like Not Guilty, Come and Get It, That Means Alot, If You've Got Trouble, You Know What to Do, What's the New Mary Jane, 12 Bar Original, Leave My Kitten Alone, etc. make the series worth owning in my opinion. Obviously Free as a Bird and Real Love are great songs worth having. It is also nice to here the different versions and work-throughs of classic Beatle tracks. I love the alternate versions of She Came in through the Bathroom Window, Helter Skelter, Sgt. Peppers Reprise, I'm Only Sleeping and Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da. Plus, it's nice to here tunes take shape over several tracks. The verdict is that I LOVE this series…couldn't live without it really! The third is probably my favorite because that's my favorite period of their career. It would be nice if they released a fourth edition to the series. I know they've got a 27+ minute version of Helter Skelter and the Carnival of Light track out there somewhere. They've got a version of Revolution that includes alot of the sounds edited for John's abstract piece and a longer version of the instrumental Flying. I even think they started work on a third posthumous track of John's at the same time they did Free/Real for the releases.

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16 June 2012
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I completly agree. Anthology 3 is also my favourite one, because that's my favourite beatles period and it features unreleased songs, kinfauns demos, alternate versions and of course interesting stuff from the get back sessions, and I also love the unreleased songs, the alternate versions (of which some are very different) and also the live songs

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19 December 2012
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I love the anthology albums, but I feel bad when I have to find a bootleg for the songs that the album is missing. My favorites are You Know What To Do, Leave My Kitten Alone, That Means A Lot, Not Guilty, and While My Guitar Gently Weeps.

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19 December 2012
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I like the Anthology sets and I remember being in high school and eagerly buying each one at my local indie record store on the day they were released in the dark days before the internet, lol! But, while the edits of different tracks and versions is good for the general public, I still go to my bootlegs mainly for outtakes and alternate versions.

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28 January 2013
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Joe said
I think it's the second best in the series, behind 2 but ahead of 1. There are some excellent tracks on it – an alternative Helter Skelter, Junk, Not Guilty, All Things Must Pass and Something demos, Mailman Bring Me No More Blues, and Come And Get It. You should really have those in your collection.

 

Well looks like I'm not the onlyone with the best taste in anthology's

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4 February 2013
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It's a shame many songs were left out. More than half of the Decca Audition is and some unreleased Beatles songs only recorded at George's house. I would like to see those, as well as some Cavern rehersals, as well as takes of other songs, possibly insturmentals would be a nice touch?

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