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Who do you think should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that isn't
2 May 2013
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My dad was talking about the people who should be in there that aren't. I think there are some that should be in there.

Ringo Starr

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Kiss

Can't think of any more, my brains out of school so don't make me think. So what about you, what bands do you think deserve a spot.

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2 May 2013
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The Zombies. To people who don't know them, They were like the Doors, except British, and they came first. The Doors have been in the hall though, if arguably just because of Morrison, for a while; but that's up for debate. It makes me ache to think they're still not in the hall, though. 

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2 May 2013
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Holsety said
The Zombies. To people who don't know them, They were like the Doors, except British, and they came first. The Doors have been in the hall though, if arguably just because of Morrison, for a while; but that's up for debate. It makes me ache to think they're still not in the hall, though. 

I love The Zombies, unfortunately not many people know them-well not in my school anyways

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2 May 2013
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I really don't know who all's in the Hall, and don't much care. I'm sure a lot of my favourites are there already, but certainly not all.

Who do I like who probably "should" be in the HoF? I dunno…Arthur Lee's Love? Blue Oyster Cult? Earth, Wind & Fire? Maybe they're there already.

EDIT: OK, I did a quick check at Funny Paper's link, and I'm a little surprised (but not a lot) that Captain Beefheart isn't in there. Fortunately I don't care, or I'd be really disgusted. But not surprised.

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2 May 2013
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The RaRHoF is so political and subjective, I can't place much importance by it. Every year that Chic get nominated and then rejected makes me respect it even less.

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3 May 2013
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Von Bontee said
I really don't know who all's in the Hall, and don't much care. I'm sure a lot of my favourites are there already, but certainly not all.

Love? Blue Oyster Cult? Earth, Wind & Fire? Maybe they're there already.

As much as I like Earth, Wind & Fire, I don't think they belong there, genre-wise.  Surely "Rock & Roll" isn't that elastic.

I note that Chet Atkins is a past inductee.  At first glance, I thought, huh?  Then I recalled something I learned recently, that Chet had been an important collaborator with Elvis in his early years.  Otherwise, I would not put Chet in that Hall -- though I think his guitarism is brilliant.

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3 May 2013
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While I'm a stone-cold James Taylor fan, it seemed a tiny bit of a stretch to induct him a couple of years ago.  But I think he can barely squeak by legitimately, given a few of his songs that do accomplish bonafide rock and raunchy blues (and it was cool that Paul McCartney presented him with the award).

 

 

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3 May 2013
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From an article on this subject:

But was Grandmaster Flash? Few critics are quibbling about the first rap group granted admission into the hallowed institution.

"People have to adjust their reference points a little," Marks says. "Hip-hop in its early days was a singles medium, and they had two or three years of indestructibly perfect singles. That's formidable. Rap is part of rock 'n' roll, and it's vaguely racist to think it shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. If it isn't allowed in, you'll run out of people to put in there pretty soon."

The notion of excluding rap "is emblematic of the debate that boomers love to have about rock 'n' roll music not being good anymore," Marks adds. "The thought of Van Halen or Grandmaster Flash sharing the room with the dead bluesmen and '60s hippies just rubs them the wrong way. It's generational bigotry."

The Furious Five gave birth to rap with landmark hit The Message, "indisputably one of the greatest singles ever," Milano says. "If you segregate too much, you lose sight of what made rock great. Besides, a million rock bands have covered The Message."

"Rock 'n' roll is an elastic term," says Jim Farber, pop music critic at the New York Daily News. "It's good that the hall had a broad definition in mind. Miles Davis is in, and most people wouldn't think of his records as rock. In terms of the hall, rock 'n' roll is more of a sensibility than a sound."

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3 May 2013
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I would nominate the 1970s rock band Crow.

For those who are curious who's on the Hall of Fame list, here's an alphabetical listing from A to Z, from the official website:

http://www.rockhall.com/induct…..habetical/

(I just checked -- Crow is not on there.  Shame!)

Here's Crow doing a cover of "Slow Down" (a song the Beatles covered way back when):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..-DKfFFNYJc

But now I'm confused: I found this YouTube video of Crow supposedly performing their hit "Cottage Cheese" at the 2009 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and it's subtitled "Iowa Inductees"… Is the official website that behind in its list that it can't even update it from 5 freaking years ago…?

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3 May 2013
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parlance,

Well, I disagree with "Marks", "Milano" and Jim Farber.

And puhleeze -- "Rap is part of rock 'n' roll, and it's vaguely racist to think it shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. If it isn't allowed in, you'll run out of people to put in there pretty soon."

That's three statements rolled into one ejaculation: a preposterous claim, and two idiotic rationales.

Putting Miles Davis in there is like putting Buck Owens in the Latin Grammies.

 

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3 May 2013
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Fortunately not everyone takes such a narrow approach.

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3 May 2013
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 "Rap is part of rock 'n' roll, and it's vaguely racist to think it shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. If it isn't allowed in, you'll run out of people to put in there pretty soon."

Whaaaaaa…?

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3 May 2013
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This is easy:

JETHRO TULL !!!!!

Their first 4 albums were remarkable and they've had a huge following. What more could you ask for? (OK, after Aqualung they kinda got commercial and sold out to The Man and started selling lots of records, but their first 4 albums should be enough to qualify)

Answer: The Hall of Fame has an anti-British bias.

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3 May 2013
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John, Paul, George, The Beatles, and The Rolling Stones are all in the RaRHoF. They're British.

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3 May 2013
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Egroeg Evoli said
 "Rap is part of rock 'n' roll, and it's vaguely racist to think it shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. If it isn't allowed in, you'll run out of people to put in there pretty soon."

Whaaaaaa…?

How can anybody call that racist, is there no such thing as a white rapper? You can't just pull the race card every time you don't get your way. 

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3 May 2013
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Egroeg Evoli said
John, Paul, George, The Beatles, and The Rolling Stones are all in the RaRHoF. They're British.

They all have to be in it, or else it would be a joke. 

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3 May 2013
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unknown said

Egroeg Evoli said
 "Rap is part of rock 'n' roll, and it's vaguely racist to think it shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. If it isn't allowed in, you'll run out of people to put in there pretty soon."

Whaaaaaa…?

How can anybody call that racist, is there no such thing as a white rapper? You can't just pull the race card every time you don't get your way. 

I want to know where this fabled deck of race cards people keep talking about come from.

I don't get how people are zeroing in on and reacting to one word out of four paragraphs out of an even larger article. Context. It's important and it's there if you read it, I promise you.

parlance

 

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3 May 2013
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parlance said

unknown said

Egroeg Evoli said
 "Rap is part of rock 'n' roll, and it's vaguely racist to think it shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. If it isn't allowed in, you'll run out of people to put in there pretty soon."

Whaaaaaa…?

How can anybody call that racist, is there no such thing as a white rapper? You can't just pull the race card every time you don't get your way. 

I want to know where this fabled deck of race cards people keep talking about come from.

I don't get how people are zeroing in on and reacting to one word out of four paragraphs out of an even larger article. Context. It's important and it's there if you read it, I promise you.

parlance

The "fabled deck of race cards" is an idiom that comes from obnoxious people, of all races, who use the excuse of racism whenever they don't get what they want. 

I read the whole article, and still still don't understand how anybody could call that even vaguely racist. Maybe I just didn't read the article right and missed something, I don't know.  

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3 May 2013
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The "fabled deck of race cards" is an idiom that comes from obnoxious people, of all races, who use the excuse of racism whenever they don't get what they want. 

I'm aware of the phrase, and it in itself is obnoxious and destructive and meaningless. Why use it if you genuinely want to understand why someone believes a practice is racist, vaguely or otherwise? There may be merit to the argument, but you shut down meaningful conversation pretty quickly with the accusation.

I read the whole article, and still still don't understand how anybody could call that even vaguely racist. Maybe I just didn't read the article right and missed something, I don't know.  

I believe – not speaking for him, but my interpretation – that he means it that narrowing the definition of rock n roll to classic arena rock is racially limiting because that kind of rock is dominated by white people. It also means that you're limiting the definition to a very specific strain of rock while ignoring much of the rich tapestry of music that encompasses and influences rock. This doesn't mean he thinks there's malicious intent – a rubbing of the hands "we got 'em!" sort of way. It doesn't mean he's whining because he didn't get his way, either. I see it as making an observation. Which is probably why he used "vaguely" to hedge his bets. Maybe a better word would have been ethnocentric, but that's not really used colloquially and doesn't cover the fact that it is as much as matter of race as it is culture and ethnicity.

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3 May 2013
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The Zombies. To people who don't know them, They were like the Doors, except British, and they came first. The Doors have been in the hall though, if arguably just because of Morrison, for a while; but that's up for debate. It makes me ache to think they're still not in the hall, though. 

I love The Zombies, unfortunately not many people know them-well not in my school anyways

The Zombies tour here very often. They have a very huge following I think, even the Platters accompany them. I still recognise some of their songs like She's Not There.

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