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Who do you think should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that isn't
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My dad was talking about the people who should be in there that aren't. I think there are some that should be in there.

Ringo Starr

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Can't think of any more, my brains out of school so don't make me think. So what about you, what bands do you think deserve a spot.

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From an article on this subject:

But was Grandmaster Flash? Few critics are quibbling about the first rap group granted admission into the hallowed institution.

"People have to adjust their reference points a little," Marks says. "Hip-hop in its early days was a singles medium, and they had two or three years of indestructibly perfect singles. That's formidable. Rap is part of Rock 'N' Roll, and it's vaguely racist to think it shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. If it isn't allowed in, you'll run out of people to put in there pretty soon."

The notion of excluding rap "is emblematic of the debate that boomers love to have about Rock 'N' Roll music not being good anymore," Marks adds. "The thought of Van Halen or Grandmaster Flash sharing the room with the dead bluesmen and '60s hippies just rubs them the wrong way. It's generational bigotry."

The Furious Five gave birth to rap with landmark hit The Message, "indisputably one of the greatest singles ever," Milano says. "If you segregate too much, you lose sight of what made rock great. Besides, a million rock bands have covered The Message."

"Rock 'N' Roll is an elastic term," says Jim Farber, pop music critic at the New York Daily News. "It's good that the hall had a broad definition in mind. Miles Davis is in, and most people wouldn't think of his records as rock. In terms of the hall, Rock 'N' Roll is more of a sensibility than a sound."

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I would nominate the 1970s rock band Crow.

For those who are curious who's on the Hall of Fame list, here's an alphabetical listing from A to Z, from the official website:

http://www.rockhall.com/induct.....habetical/

(I just checked -- Crow is not on there.  Shame!)

Here's Crow doing a cover of "Slow Down" (a song the Beatles covered way back when):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....-DKfFFNYJc

But now I'm confused: I found this YouTube video of Crow supposedly performing their hit "Cottage Cheese" at the 2009 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and it's subtitled "Iowa Inductees"... Is the official website that behind in its list that it can't even update it from 5 freaking years ago...?

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parlance,

Well, I disagree with "Marks", "Milano" and Jim Farber.

And puhleeze -- "Rap is part of Rock 'N' Roll, and it's vaguely racist to think it shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. If it isn't allowed in, you'll run out of people to put in there pretty soon."

That's three statements rolled into one ejaculation: a preposterous claim, and two idiotic rationales.

Putting Miles Davis in there is like putting Buck Owens in the Latin Grammies.

 

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 "Rap is part of Rock 'N' Roll, and it's vaguely racist to think it shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. If it isn't allowed in, you'll run out of people to put in there pretty soon."

Whaaaaaa...?

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Egroeg Evoli said
 "Rap is part of
Rock 'N' Roll, and it's vaguely racist to think it shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. If it isn't allowed in, you'll run out of people to put in there pretty soon."

Whaaaaaa...?

How can anybody call that racist, is there no such thing as a white rapper? You can't just pull the race card every time you don't get your way. 

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unknown said

Egroeg Evoli said
 "Rap is part of
Rock 'N' Roll, and it's vaguely racist to think it shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. If it isn't allowed in, you'll run out of people to put in there pretty soon."

Whaaaaaa...?

How can anybody call that racist, is there no such thing as a white rapper? You can't just pull the race card every time you don't get your way. 

I want to know where this fabled deck of race cards people keep talking about come from.

I don't get how people are zeroing in on and reacting to one word out of four paragraphs out of an even larger article. Context. It's important and it's there if you read it, I promise you.

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parlance said

unknown said

Egroeg Evoli said
 "Rap is part of
Rock 'N' Roll, and it's vaguely racist to think it shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. If it isn't allowed in, you'll run out of people to put in there pretty soon."

Whaaaaaa...?

How can anybody call that racist, is there no such thing as a white rapper? You can't just pull the race card every time you don't get your way. 

I want to know where this fabled deck of race cards people keep talking about come from.

I don't get how people are zeroing in on and reacting to one word out of four paragraphs out of an even larger article. Context. It's important and it's there if you read it, I promise you.

parlance

The "fabled deck of race cards" is an idiom that comes from obnoxious people, of all races, who use the excuse of racism whenever they don't get what they want. 

I read the whole article, and still still don't understand how anybody could call that even vaguely racist. Maybe I just didn't read the article right and missed something, I don't know.  

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The "fabled deck of race cards" is an idiom that comes from obnoxious people, of all races, who use the excuse of racism whenever they don't get what they want. 

I'm aware of the phrase, and it in itself is obnoxious and destructive and meaningless. Why use it if you genuinely want to understand why someone believes a practice is racist, vaguely or otherwise? There may be merit to the argument, but you shut down meaningful conversation pretty quickly with the accusation.

I read the whole article, and still still don't understand how anybody could call that even vaguely racist. Maybe I just didn't read the article right and missed something, I don't know.  

I believe - not speaking for him, but my interpretation - that he means it that narrowing the definition of rock n roll to classic arena rock is racially limiting because that kind of rock is dominated by white people. It also means that you're limiting the definition to a very specific strain of rock while ignoring much of the rich tapestry of music that encompasses and influences rock. This doesn't mean he thinks there's malicious intent - a rubbing of the hands "we got 'em!" sort of way. It doesn't mean he's whining because he didn't get his way, either. I see it as making an observation. Which is probably why he used "vaguely" to hedge his bets. Maybe a better word would have been ethnocentric, but that's not really used colloquially and doesn't cover the fact that it is as much as matter of race as it is culture and ethnicity.

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