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The Vinyl Thread
14 March 2014
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IveJustSeenAFaceo said

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Just got a copy of Double Fantasy in really good condition for a few dollars... I have refused to listen to it up to this point and I guess now's the time...

Now this is a bit off topic, but one of the guys at the record store gave me Wingspan, I'm about to watch it and wanted to know everyones opinion... Is it good?

I have Double Fantasy, I believe it's first edition (anyone know how to check?), bought new. I'm just gonna keep bragging.

I didn't know Wingspan was a movie too? Thought it was just the album. And by "gave", do you mean he gave it to you for free, or recommended it to buy? If it's the first one, lucky 

I actually mean the first one... It was his old one and it was just the disc he found around. I am lucky!

It was really good by the way. About Paul and Linda's life together and Wings

 

And I think mine is a first edition too... I usually look at the copyright date on the back although not always a sure fire way to firpgure it out. If you look it up you can probably find a way to tell.

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14 March 2014
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It should tell you the original release date, and then the release date of your particular edition (if it's not original).

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14 March 2014
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fabfouremily said
It should tell you the original release date, and then the release date of your particular edition (if it's not original).

The copyright date will tell you nothing more than original release date, and any re-release if it is a re-release. However, records are not like books - while there are obviously exceptions, where label differences etc. can sometimes allow you tell the date of a copy - it is largely impossible to tell the difference between first print, second print, etc. A vinyl copy of Double Fantasy made in 1980 looks identical to one made up to around 1989, when it was re-released on EMI. There may be a few prints with slight variations, and obviously international variations, but largely they are all done to a template, and will all have 1980 as the copyright and publishing date, until that 1989 re-release.

Books have those nice numbers that tell you which print you own - and will often have the first published---, this edition --- bit, but records have just never done that. So a 1980 UK vinyl copy, for instance, looks identical to a 1983 or a 1985 UK vinyl copy.

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14 March 2014
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Mr. Kite said

IveJustSeenAFaceo said

Mr. Kite said
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I have Double Fantasy, I believe it's first edition (anyone know how to check?), bought new. I'm just gonna keep bragging.

And I think mine is a first edition too... I usually look at the copyright date on the back although not always a sure fire way to firpgure it out. If you look it up you can probably find a way to tell.

Can't you tell by the label/number?  Like, Parlophone 303-5 or whatever.  Since I've been here I found both info and knowledgeable people here who, for example, told me the Revolver vinyl on Parlophone was a UK release (they didn't say it was first edition).  But seems like the subsequent editions would have a different number.  Or maybe the copyright date + the label/number?  (by label I mean record company).  Anyone clear on this?

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14 March 2014
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JPGR gives the cat# and says the original vinyl was deleted in 1988. I don't know how you'd know if it was a first edition. However, at some point I'm Your Angel was renamed Yes, I'm Your Angel (I don't know if some vinyl copies had the latter title, but the new CDs certainly do). If yours has Yes on it then it's definitely not a first edition.

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14 March 2014
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No, catalogue numbers stay the same. Sometimes they might vary them slightly on special editions, or to signify format, but the catalogue number doesn't vary from print to print. A re-release will often be given a new catalogue number, to differentiate from original release, but then not always.

The Love Me Do UK single is a good example. Its catalogue number is R 4949. Here are some variations, all UK, from over the years:

These run through from 1962 to 1982, with the vast majority being variation 3. Now, 1, 2 & 4 are all easily datable, but by their labels and not catalogue numbers. The only variation on cat. no. is on the picture disc, where they add a P (RP 4949), so that you can't order R 4949, and then when they get it in, go, "Oh! That's not a picture disc!"

The only reason there are a variation on labels is that Parlophone was rebranding itself across 1962-1963, but then they settled on labels they would use for decades.

The job of the catalogue number (in any country) is purely to identify where/when in the record company's catalogue it first was made available.

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14 March 2014
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Mine doesn't have the "Yes", so it's from somewhere early. I'd bet it's first edition because it came out when my dad a) was in his late teens, b) had a job, so he had some more money, and c) John was huge in the news after being killed (he wasn't dead when it came out, but it was soon after). I'd say he probably bought it in late '80, early '81. How long do first editions last in stores?

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14 March 2014
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In the case of Double Fantasy, they were printing new copies as fast as they could after 8 December. It was sold out most everywhere by the time shops shut on the 9 December, and new copies were being rushed out worldwide.

As I say up above, records are not like books. Without label/sleeve variations, there is no way to tell. The value of a record is held in variations on the normal, so even if you could say it was bought at the end of November 1980, it wouldn't be considered any different by collectors than a copy from Geffen's last vinyl run in 1988.

The only additional value it could have would be sentimental value to you, liking the thought that it dates close to release.

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15 March 2014
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Ron Nasty said
No, catalogue numbers stay the same. Sometimes they might vary them slightly on special editions, or to signify format, but the catalogue number doesn't vary from print to print. A re-release will often be given a new catalogue number, to differentiate from original release, but then not always.

<lots of pictures snipped>

The job of the catalogue number (in any country) is purely to identify where/when in the record company's catalogue it first was made available.

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Thank you Ron for the correction and the most excellent explanation!  My apologies for the misinformation, eventually I'll learn...

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I don't care wether or not it's a first edition. It's good condition, it's John, I'm happy! a-hard-days-night-john-1

But mine doesn't have Yes, so I guess that means it was in the first 8 years of pressing?

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16 March 2014
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Hi

I bought this single on release and noticed then that "Day Tripper" is shown on both sides of the record but "We Can Work It Out" plays on the B side and have often wondered if there were many other pressing errors for this single. I only remembered about it when we bought my youngest son a turntable and he "borrowed" many of my singles to play in his student flat and I spotted the error when perusing his "new collection". Was this pressing error unusual or were all the "Day Tripper" singles like this?

 

16 March 2014
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I don't know about the printing error, but if it was uncommon, that's pretty cool.

I'll say this doesn't belong in Pimp Your Stuff unless you're hoping to sell it. 

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16 March 2014
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My American Capitol 45 doesn't have that error (welcome briant). That could be on the rare side.

I agree with IveJustSeenAFaceo that this thread probably belongs elsewhere (memorabilia?)

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16 March 2014
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I moved the posts to here as the memorabillia thread is more for rare items, I think.

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16 March 2014
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fabfouremily said
I moved the posts to here as the memorabillia thread is more for rare items, I think.

The point is that it kind of is a rare item.

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17 March 2014
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IveJustSeenAFaceo said

fabfouremily said
I moved the posts to here as the memorabillia thread is more for rare items, I think.

The point is that it kind of is a rare item.

True, but I meant ''rare'': letters, photos, autographs, etc. I'll talk to the mods for their opinion.

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17 March 2014
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Looks like it got moved here, to the vinyl thread, which seems like a good fit.

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I just came back from the big antique store in my neck of the woods and I bought:

-George's "When We Was Fab" 7-inch with really nice picture sleeve

-An original Capitol 45 of "Strawberry Fields Forever / Penny Lane" with the original Capitol sleeve

-A vintage copy of 'Let It Bleed' by The Stones

-Another first-edition uncensored 'Some Girls' by The Stones (I forgot I already owned one)

-A copy of 'DaDa' by Alice Cooper (a loooong out of print album recorded in an alcoholic haze)

There were plenty more treats to be found, but all of that cost close to 40 dollars and I didn't want to go overboard.

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18 March 2014
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SatanHimself said
I just came back from the big antique store in my neck of the woods and I bought:

-George's "When We Was Fab" 7-inch with really nice picture sleeve

-An original Capitol 45 of "Strawberry Fields Forever / Penny Lane" with the original Capitol sleeve

-A vintage copy of 'Let It Bleed' by The Stones

-Another first-edition uncensored 'Some Girls' by The Stones (I forgot I already owned one)

-A copy of 'DaDa' by Alice Cooper (a loooong out of print album recorded in an alcoholic haze)

There were plenty more treats to be found, but all of that cost close to 40 dollars and I didn't want to go overboard.

Great finds!

My local record store just had a big sale (although the stuff I got was normal priced because it was part of the collection they just got so that's irrelevant) so I went this weekend.

I'd been looking for the Police for a while as they're my favorite band after the Beatles and I walk in and I'm handed all of their studio albums except for Reggatta de Blanc, plus Every Breath You Take: The Singles that they'd put aside for me. I didn't really need to keep looking around as that was perfect but I found a Capitol 45 of Pepper & With A Little Help/A Day In The Life also in the Capitol sleeve!

I've been getting really lucky since they got this collection!

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briant said
Hi

I bought this single on release and noticed then that "Day Tripper" is shown on both sides of the record but "We Can Work It Out" plays on the B side and have often wondered if there were many other pressing errors for this single. I only remembered about it when we bought my youngest son a turntable and he "borrowed" many of my singles to play in his student flat and I spotted the error when perusing his "new collection". Was this pressing error unusual or were all the "Day Tripper" singles like this?

 

A somewhat thorough search revealed no mention of this mispressing.  I would remove it from your son's collection and have it appraised, if it were me.  Unless it's in poor condition, but even then, you never know...

wait - strike that - is this it? Unfortunately it's just at auction, no price is available yet...misprints like this are usually more (but sometimes less) valuable than regular prints.

 

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