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The "Incredibly Impossible to Derail This Thread" thread
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8 July 2012
Ben Ramon
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McLennonSon said

Ben Ramon said
On the topic of today's music being rubbish, I (and a lot of other people apparently) feel that Carly Rae Jepsen's "Call Me Maybe" is a step back in the right direction for modern commercial pop. Beatles-level catchiness and great use of strings in the chorus, and I think the lyrics are pretty passable too, which is more than I can say for most of the stuff I hear in clubs.

Hmmm. I've never actually thought of that, I think a-hard-days-night-ringo-15 maybe right. And on another tought, Call Me Maybe is using more chords than the standard I-IV-V-VI chords. And it actually sounds more like alt.rock to me ears than it sounds like pop. Kinda catchy. But it has still a vamp :C

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8EDIT: It doesn't use the VI chord, but it uses the other ones.ahdn_paul_01

Not necessarily in terms of theoretical complexity, but it's just... well... a "good song." The way the verse gradually builds to a climax which explodes into the chorus works extremely well, as does the way the strings and the vocal melody alternate and play off each other in the chorus. Obviously some people may find it insipid, annoying dreck but the first time I ever heard it in a gay club in the city I was blown away, it had me by the balls instantly, and I was moved and impressed by how mad everyone went when it came on. Wildly dancing, hugging euphoric people who were all having a great time, united by this song, and I was standing in the middle of it thinking "wow."

mr. Sun king coming together said
Ben Ramon - you're entirely right, insofar as it's shitloads better then everything else that's popular. But when you consider what's actually out there from today, it's mediocre. Maybe I'm still biased, because I saw what might be the best concert I've ever seen, a Canadian band called the Arkells. That is what we should comparing music to, not to Bieber and One Direction, but to the Arkells or Arcade Fire - the people who make actually good music.

(Ben - that stops being directed at you at some point. I'm not sure when, but don't get offended - it became the typed version of the rant I've given millions of times)

No offense taken! To be honest, I think the people who get upset about Bieber being massively popular should stop worrying. He's nothing but a teenage fad, based mostly on his image and good looks, which is most probably engineered by a bunch of people in a boardroom discussing how they can make him look introspective and appealing to hormonal teenage girls on the next album cover. I know people said the same thing about the Beatles when they first started, but do you think Bieber is going to turn out a Sgt Pepper in the next five years? No music critic takes him seriously because they know his following is comprised largely of people too young to know better.

As for Arcade Fire, I've never got it, but each to his own.

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For my money, the greatest band of very recent years is Animal Collective, who combine psychedelic folk and Beach Boys-esque melodic pop with noise and electronic effects. It took me a very long time to get into them, but once their artistic merit dawned on me I was hooked.

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Me, I'd have to say, if I had a gun to my head and had to pick only one current band, I would pick... gosh, this is hard. Probably... I can't do it. I guess Arcade Fire, but that'd be hard. 


It drives me insane when people say there are no good bands out today. I can't stand it. I'm sitting at my computer, scrolling through my albums on iTunes. 26 full albums released since 2004, 13 artists, all bought since 2010. There is loads of good music out there that people don't know, that I don't know. I get that not all bands I love will be loved by all - on a recent car trip, I played my Mom Arcade Fire's Funeral for the first time. She wasn't in love with it. Fine. But when people cavalierly dismiss entire periods of music as crap, I can't stand it. I could pull out 3 recommendations of current bands for anyone who asks.  Sorry, got rambling there.

Ben Ramon said 

Very good point. I am often disturbed by the attitude I see towards Bieber by Beatles fans (including on this forum) and others who proclaim themselves fans of "true music": leveling violent threats and all kinds of venom and vitriol towards someone who is really just an inexperienced teenager and has no real say in the writing or production of their songs. Also people who make the ridiculous claim that Paul or Ringo, if they were to meet Bieber, would punch him in the face or whatever; don't you think they'd know better?

As you said, instead of scouting out the untalented artists in the world in order to attack and deplore them and their fans, why don't people scout out the talented artists and ignore what they don't like? I thought "All You Need Is Love" was the general consensus among Beatle fans but my faith in that has been warped slightly by what I've seen on the internet.

If i was old enough to drink I'd probably drink to Justin's health. I hold no ill will for Justin as a person, or even that he's successful. But I don't like his music. Keep it at that - why bring the person into it? I know 5 girls at my high school who are the biggest One direction fans ever. I hate 1D, but I don't begrudge them for liking 1D. I merely keep the subject off music in their company. Why must we think that popularity matters, and begrudge people for either being popular (Bieber, 1D) or being fans of popular acts (like my "friends")? There's something wrong in a world where people feel compelled to issue death threats because they don't like a kid's music.

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