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Remembering Elvis
31 July 2013
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To answer some of the "intelligent" statements on here. I'm constantly defending both Elvis and the Beatles (favorite singer/favorite band) whenever someone tries to take shots at them at school or other places but I find it weird when I'm having to come in between these two acts who I both love.

Songwriting is apart of writing more than it is of music. It is not that hard to write lyrics, 'Come Together' being a prime example of this, Kanye West being another prime example of this. Elvis possessed creativity from arranging the beats to changing an entire song entirely that I have not seen even in the Beatles. Have you ever heard the original That's All Right Mama and compared it to what Elvis did at Sun Studios? Or What he did for Blue Moon of Kentucky? Another comparison would be Tony Joe White's 'Polk Salad Annie' and Elvis' hyper version of it. You cannot dismiss such creativity and focus on lyric-writing. Elvis might not have written his own songs but his interpretations of songs and the way he arranges the beats to it were unmatched. Not to mention the most important thing, his live performances were better than the studio versions of his songs, something very hard to come by.

Judging Elvis by his songwriting skills is like judging the Beatles by their inability to dance or move to the beats of their song and put on a good show for people. Dancing is more apart of movement than music, songwriting is more apart of writing than music. Judge a musician by their MUSIC.

Adele is overweight, not attractive at all, barely moves in her music videos, doesn't give any kind of show for her concerts, has writers write songs for her, yet her vocals are amazing and she's definitely the best thing in music right now because of her music. Of course dancing and good looks help your music and songwriting definitely gives fans a feeling of being 'genuine' to the song but the bottom line is the music.

I do agree strongly however with the feelings of Elvis' post-army years though. Something changed in him when coming back from the army, you could tell right away something was very different from that post-army interview. He became this controlled and partly brainwashed person which only became worse as he spent his next 9 years in Hollywood having sex with Hollywood starlets and taking his uppers to work on his sometimes hard to watch musical movies. Even the movies changed, the movies before the army possessed a certain flare to it. I don't buy into his 68' special either. I was never a fan of that special, it was nothing new. Just Elvis doing songs he sang a long time ago, the only reason it was the most watched program of 1968 was because it had his name attached to it and it wasn't even a comeback, he still had 4 movie contracts to honor, his real comeback was in 1970.

But I think you guys are not giving proper credit to the later years (1970-77) which, looking back at it from now, turned him into a twice-icon and put him on a pedestal unmatched even today. Suspicious Minds, The Wonder of You, In The Ghetto, Walk a Mile, Polk Salad Annie, Always on My Mind, What Now My Love, American Trilogy, Unchained Melody, plus the 'Aloha From Hawaii' concert which remains the most watched television event ever, etc. put a spin on him that gave him a diversity as a musician that I don't think anyone will come to have again. This is a man who was producing the best vocal music out there all while self destructing and losing his life slowly while everyone else watches. If anyone wonders why Elvis fans are so fanatic it's because of this period. 

Being an Elvis fan, this is why I think he became and still is the best singer of all time, it's because he gives you diversity in his music. On top of having an arsenal of songs, he also has a huge diversity in them. The 50's gives you wild, free, sometimes dangerous music. The 60's movie soundtracks gives you pop melodies and breezy car music, the 70's gives you dramatic, powerful pieces. Also he gives you all kinds of genres from rock, pop, ballads, gospel, country, etc. He is the most diverse singer ever whose music ranges from young rocker to mid-aged opera singer. Who else can be remembered as Mr. Cool rockin' a gold jacket dancing his way to controversy in America all the way to God-looking white diamond suited man singing as if apart of an opera in Venice?

There's a reason John Lennon was obsessed with Elvis even wearing a diamond 'Elvis' name tag on his suit for the 72' Grammy Awards and constantly wearing Elvis accessories on his shirts. There's also a reason why Graceland is second only to the White House in terms of visitors per year.

"Long live ze' king" - John (notice the pin on his shirt, occupation G.I. Bluessss)

"Long live ze King!" - John Lennon upon leaving Elvis' home

31 July 2013
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I'm also a big Elvis/Beatles/John Lennon fan.  Thanks for your post.  I agree that the 70's period is very good.  I especially love "From Elvis Presley Boulevard" and "Moody Blue."  They have some of my favorite tracks.

I can't wait for the "Elvis At Stax" set to come out at the beginning of August.

I've been collecting Elvis's music for the past year but actually have yet to delve into his concert videos or films.  Do you have any recommendations on those?

"This Beatles talk bores me to death." --John Lennon

31 July 2013
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Expert Textpert said
I'm also a big Elvis/Beatles/John Lennon fan.  Thanks for your post.  I agree that the 70's period is very good.  I especially love "From Elvis Presley Boulevard" and "Moody Blue."  They have some of my favorite tracks.

I can't wait for the "Elvis At Stax" set to come out at the beginning of August.

I've been collecting Elvis's music for the past year but actually have yet to delve into his concert videos or films.  Do you have any recommendations on those?

Always like assisting people in Elvis. Although his best concerts were definitely the insane 50's concert where he's moving in every direction with his gold suit, little recordings remain of those and the ones around are silent with music added to them. But the 70's has its fair share of good concert songs.

This is a good song, 'Walk a Mile', very deep and inspirational

Then there's 'What Now' part of the Aloha From Hawaii satellite concert. His finale at 2:30 has to definitely be one of the greatest moments in Elvis' singing career in my personal opinion.

Polk Salad Annie is definitely something that appeals more to our time and my generation (teens, 20's) which is probably why it's in my top 3 of Elvis' songs yet it charted no real success for him back in the 70's. Funny how music appeals changes with time.

 

There's so many to choose from, the man spawned 114 top 40 hits, it depends on what you're looking for (genre/feeling), hope I've been of help ExpertTexpert

"Long live ze King!" - John Lennon upon leaving Elvis' home

10 February 2014
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Expert Textpert said
I'm also a big Elvis/Beatles/John Lennon fan.  Thanks for your post.  I agree that the 70's period is very good.  I especially love "From Elvis Presley Boulevard" and "Moody Blue."  They have some of my favorite tracks.

I can't wait for the "Elvis At Stax" set to come out at the beginning of August.

I've been collecting Elvis's music for the past year but actually have yet to delve into his concert videos or films.  Do you have any recommendations on those?

I would recommend the comeback special - it's official title was "NBC TV special" but it is more usually referred to as the comeback special as it was the first time Elvis had performed in public for 10 years.

The Comeback Special was recorded in 1968 when Elvis was 33 and he is in really good shape physically (this was before he became fat) and is really up for it too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....DjvF7ZJQS4

Shortly after this he recorded "From Elvis in Memphis", which most fans (including myself) agree was his best post-army studio album and which I would also highly recommend.

10 February 2014
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There are only three singers as far as I know who sometimes do this spastic little convulsion when the inspiration overtakes them while doing some particularly soulfully energetic moment in their song -- Elvis Presley, Ray Charles, and Paul McCartney.  The only other singer that comes close is Little Richard.

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17 March 2014
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I remembered Elvis at Graceland today. Hope you will get to visit one day @Expert Textpert and all others who wish to make the pilgrimage.

Lots of gold records

a part of the Jungle Room

Living room at Graceland

RIP Elvis

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29 July 2014
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hope you like it a-hard-days-night-george-10

On the evening of August the 27th, 1965, Elvis Presley and the Beatles, the music world's biggest stars, met for the first and only time.
Since it had been agreed upon that no press would be involved and that no pictures or recordings would be taken of that which would happen, here is our rendition of what probably happened during the party, including the music that was played.

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29 July 2014
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This is really cool! Have you done more or will you do more?

 

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29 July 2014
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who knows annadog? that took a lot of time and was our first experience in the stop motion technique. never say never anyway... I'm glad you like it a-hard-days-night-george-10

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15 August 2014
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Sometime in the wee morning hours of August 16 will be the 37th of anniversary of Elvis's passing. We are seeing "That's The Way It Is" on the big screen this weekend.

"This Beatles talk bores me to death." --John Lennon

15 August 2014
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I didn't know Elvis Costello died????? 

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15 August 2014
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It will also be the 17th anniversary of the passing of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, "The Elvis of the East" :(

OMG @ that picture of John w/Miles! And wearing an Elvis pin!

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31 October 2014
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I'm not an elvis fan reasons ?

1) His  fans are aggressive and curse beatles to show how elvis was important to them. Elvis only got lennon & mccartney to start music but didn't help them much in music. Best musical inspirations came from bob dylan, drugs and other changing trends and experimenting. If they only made simple rock n roll music they would be a fad. There's a big difference between being motivated and being inspired

2) He did not write his own songs

3) It is about music not selling your moves. I would rather watch axl rose do snake dance and sing (atleast he wrote lyrics, composed many melodies on piano)

4) Might be an unpopular opinion but i really don't think his vocals that amazing and so his many songs

 

@ElviszePelvis writing lyrics ain't that easy you think john wrote some non sense like im the walrus, dude it's not like that im a writer my myself and you need a good story to write in a lyrical way. Does elvis has got any song like im the walrus, A Day In The Life, in my life or imagine ? If your point of view is writing 4-6 recurring letters then it's easy . Writing songs like Something is hard but writing songs like love me tender is extremely easy. Sorry it it offends anyone, im really sorry cause im a die hard beatlemanic and defend and will denfend beatles everywhere. You can't compare Beatles to elvis !

31 October 2014
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Indeed, you can't compare a musician to a group of musicians.

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31 October 2014
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Von Bontee said
Indeed, you can't compare a musician to a group of musicians.

Even comparing individual musicians is kinda iffy. One musician might be more technically proficient at their instrument, but the one you compare him/her to might write catchier songs. There are a number of strengths and weaknesses possible.

That said I AM an Elvis fan, but am not offended because you (Hey Jude) are entitled to your opinion. 

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dude even ringo has got more skills than elvis 

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I try to listen to Elvis but after a few songs i'm bored, even with his early rock and roll which is meant to be incredible. Give me Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash or Carl Perkins over Elvis any day.

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Elvis's skills are in his abilities as an arranger and his exceptional vocal range and tone. Yes, it's true that Elvis did not write his own songs but he came from an era in which no one wrote their own songs. Even The Beatles at first sang only other people's songs.

You cannot fault Elvis because The Beatles were innovative and began writing their own songs. In fact, The Beatles would not exist if not for the innovation of Elvis. Elvis combined country and rhythm and blues sounds, which had never been done before. When he sang "That's All Right, Mama" no one had ever heard anything like it.

As far as Ringo having more skills, that is obviously not true. Put Ringo's voice side by side with Elvis's voice, and people will choose Elvis.

John was a big fan of Elvis, and he later criticized songs such as The Walrus as being "daft" and went back to the more Elvis style, first in 1975 when he recorded his Rock N' Roll album, and then again in 1980, with songs such as (Just Like) Starting Over.

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Expert Textpert said
 

As far as Ringo having more skills, that is obviously not true. Put Ringo's voice side by side with Elvis's voice, and people will choose Elvis.

 

Alright this causing lot of anger I will just leave this thread after this

Ringo could played drums extremely well which inspired other millions of drummers. Some I remember are nick mason and Dave grohl and oh me too

Ringo could play piano and knew some chords on guitar as well 

Wrote Lyrics

Is the first musician to play wind machine on a track 

Overall he was a multi-instrumentalist.

Beatles are the pioneers of psychedelic and prog music and brought it to mainstream

Beatles have combined the genre of psych & prog and art rock In A Day In The Life

Indian music and psych in Lucy in the sky...

Blues, metal and rock in I want you 

Invented hard rock and metal on White Album (back in  60s it was the hardest sound ever )

ahdn_paul_06 Everything i have mentioned before was never heard neither seen before

All of these genre gave rise to bands like : Queen, Rolling stones (70s), Pink Floyd, led zeppelin and many more. Even if they didn't take influence from beatles they already were influenced eg led Zeppelin and Metallica have used sitar and sitar was introduced to western music by Beatles, so they are influenced indirectly

Everyone have their own taste like I like Syd guitar work  better than David's work

I know people in person who LOVES elvis music and i kinda get bored from his songs like mmm 

EDIT : Can you give me the link where John criticized im the walrus and quite frankly i think his songs in last years of music were terrible, I only listen to first 2 albums and some from mind games and walls & bridges] and in the end it is all about opinions and stuff       heart

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Now that I think of it, it wasn't I Am The Walrus he was criticizing, it was Come Together. It's in the film "Live in New York City." Either before or after the song he talks about how the lyrics he used to write were "daft." You could include Walrus in that statement. Actually, I just read "A Hard Day's Write," where it quotes John as saying that the lyrics to Walrus were a joke designed to stump the teachers at Quarry Bank who were analyzing his lyrics. He wrote it in response to a letter from a kid at his school, who said they were deciphering the Beatles lyrics in class. He said, "Let the fuckers figure this one out," or something to that effect.

Yes, you have displayed that Ringo has skills, but he doesn't have singing skills, and Elvis is.....wait for it.... A SINGER. Elvis didn't claim to be any of the other things in your list. Also, Led Zeppelin idolized Elvis and played his songs during their sound checks.

Elvis was also an arranger. He could hear anything in his head and get the musicians to play it exactly as he wanted it, and his songs were great as a result. He didn't write them, but he made them into Elvis songs.

Also, it's really strange--I hear Beatles fans talk about how Elvis fans hate Beatles fans, but I never hear Elvis fans talking bad about Beatles fans.

And Elvis SEVERAL times has stated publicly (during performances where he SINGS Beatles songs) that he loves The Beatles.

In fact, in Larry Geller's book "If I Can Dream" Elvis is quoted as saying that The Beatles were "good boys" and John was his favorite because John made him laugh. He also gave John the phone number that rang in his bedroom, and John called him for advice during his immigration problems.

"This Beatles talk bores me to death." --John Lennon

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