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4 May 2011
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This topic is about learning songs, here you may ask anything about a song you want to learn. The questions could go from anything from notes, chords, instrumentation, technique or even ask opinions on a song you want to learn (is it better in what instrument?, is it good for an event

Hope everyone can have a good experience and share your knowledge.

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4 May 2011
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Cool, right now I'm learning Mother Nature's Son and I'm wondering if Paul used a pick or not. I personally don't use a pick on it, but maybe he did.

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4 May 2011
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Cool, right now I'm learning Mother Nature's Son and I'm wondering if Paul used a pick or not. I personally don't use a pick on it, but maybe he did.

Neither do I use a pick, nor did Paul, I'm quite sure of that. It sounds like Paul's typical finger strumming with some finger picking (e.g. at the intro).

Nice song to play and sing.

5 May 2011
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I think Paul used a pick at the very beginning, it just has that distinct sound.
How do you play that "all day long" part? I can't quite figure it out.

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5 May 2011
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GniknuS said:

I think Paul used a pick at the very beginning, it just has that distinct sound.
How do you play that "all day long" part? I can't quite figure it out.

Nah, he wouldn't do this little bass walk and the two high notes with a pick.

All day long part:

A    D/A   A   D/A           

(0) (0)

2    3

2    2

2    4

0    0

X    X

 

I call that the "Paul Simon Memorial Chord" since he uses this IV over I so often.

I use my index finger as a baree on the A and put the middle finger on the third fret and the little finger on the forth fret on D/A.

5 May 2011
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I've tried teaching myself Martha My Dear on piano by watching videos on youtube – I can play up to the "hold your head up, you silly girl…" part, but I'm not an actual pianist, so it's pretty shabby a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

What would be considered the "easiest" song to play on [acoustic] guitar? A family friend gave us his, but again I have no guitar playing experience – it would still be awesome if I learnt how to play a Beatles song…a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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5 May 2011
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There are a lot of pretty easy songs if you're just strumming, a good example would be Girl which you can hear really well, but you would need to get a capo, which would be a good investment anyway because you can't really play certain fun songs without one like Here Comes the Sun or Michelle or Norweigan Wood.
But in terms of a song in standard tuning using open chords, I'd say You've Got to Hide Your Love Away or Hey Jude would be pretty easy to translate over.
And thanks for the tip paulsbass, I think I remember you saying you knew over 200 songs by memory which is just insane. I'm always looking to learn new songs, so do you have a few that you just completely love playing that would be worth learning? They don't have to be Beatles tunes.

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8 May 2011
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GniknuS said:

And thanks for the tip paulsbass, I think I remember you saying you knew over 200 songs by memory which is just insane. I'm always looking to learn new songs, so do you have a few that you just completely love playing that would be worth learning? They don't have to be Beatles tunes.

Welcome!

To be perfectly honest, the 200 songs from memory – that's just my GUITAR repertoir. Of course there are more songs I know on the PIANO…

Did that sound a tiny little bit like bragging? I'm not totally sure…a-hard-days-night-paul-4

 

To your question:

I'm giving away some quality information here, but since I don't expect you to show up in my hometown, taking away my most successful street music spots, here are some sure-fire song picks:

First some general thoughts.

When I started playing in the streets I thought "People don't want to hear the old stuff again like Streets of London, Lady in black etc.", so I did some lesser known songs, like "Blackbird". And one day two 14year old girls with pink hair approached me, asking "Do you know Streets of London, or Lady in black, or Hey Jude?" Then I realized: People DO want to hear the old stuff, it always works best everywhere (sometimes AFTER getting the folks started with some more recent songs).

So that has always been the key to my success, knowing all the "campfire" songs. SOme of "my" best songs:

 

Father and son (Cat Stevens) – I started my "guitar/singing" career with and due to this song (I sang and played the bass and the piano before) because I realized this one fits my voice really well, with the low father part and the spectacular high son part (people keep turning their heads when I go into that one), and seriously EVERYBODY loves it and everybody knows the first verse. So I thought "Well, I have THIS song, so I'll never COMPLETELY suck and people will like it" so I started playing in the streets with Father and son as the forerunner – and it ALWAYS worked extremely well.

Anything else by Cat Stevens (Wild world, Morning has broken…)

Penny Lane – Everybody knows and likes it, joining in at the chorus, and it's not totally overplayed like Hey Jude (which most people STILL love to hear).

Country roads (John Denver)

American pie (DOn McLean) – Some work to get the lyrics right, but always working for getting the crowd to join in

The Boxer (S & G) and even more Mrs. Robinson

Wonderful tonight

San Francisco and It never rains in Southern California

King of the road

All I have to do is dream

Wonderwall

Wonderful world (Don't know much about history…)

Stand by me

Those were the days

Que sera?

 

Of course there are a lot more songs I do, but these ones will work whenever you play them to people from 4 to 80 years.

 

Most recently I learned "I still haven't found what I'm looking for", "Stay the night" by James Blunt, "You don't know" by Milow and a German song called "Zu schnell vorbei".

 

I don't know if there's a secret for learning lyrics.

The rhymes help a lot, since you always have some reminder for the next line.

It also helps to picture the "story" of the song and how it progesses. I find it difficult to learn songs without a story. I will NEVER be able to do "Mr. Tambourine man" due to that reason.

And most often, if you know the chorus, you've got 50 percent of the song. Adding three verses is not that hard in most cases.

I noticed most people are just too scared to sing or play songs by heart. They think they need their sheet music or songbook, and so they sit or stand there, playing, staring at the pages, although they do it for the 50th time and could do it by memory easily!

So, my advice, just DO it, start singing/playing without the sheet, if you get stuck, just a quick look, and then without the notes again, until it's "saved".

I do have the huge advantage of playing live very often, so I might have played a song like Father and son literally several hundred times, and that's a lot of practice, obviously.

And it is something different, playing a song at home or in front of an audience. THAT'S when you notice which parts are not memorized so well. And you'll need that experience to "save it", to get over the weak spots – for ever!

Thanks for reading!apple01

 

Edit: After having rambled on for 15 pages – BACK AND FRONT! – I realized I might haven't answered your question perfectly well. These songs are not necessarily the ones I "love to play" most, but they are "worth learning" in terms of having success with an audience.

If you're still interested I might add some "favourites" in another post.

8 May 2011
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Holy shit, that's a long post, but a great one. Do you ever do any Elton John? I seem to remember you saying you liked him.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
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Holy shit, that's a long post, but a great one. Do you ever do any Elton John? I seem to remember you saying you liked him.

 

I'm proud of doing a very nice guitar version of "Your song".

I also do it on the piano, as well as "Don't let the sun go down on me" and "Crocodile rock".

One of these days I'm going to start doing some stuff on youtube…

8 May 2011
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Awesome post, thanks a lot. I've also noticed that when playing in front of people, even though they are usually just friends and family, that certain songs that everyone knows and can join in on often get the best reception, even if they aren't even close to the best thing you can play.

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8 May 2011
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GniknuS said:

Awesome post, thanks a lot. I've also noticed that when playing in front of people, even though they are usually just friends and family, that certain songs that everyone knows and can join in on often get the best reception, even if they aren't even close to the best thing you can play.

Indeed.

And these songs don't even have to be played perfectly, not even with the correct cords, most people will never notice (it bothers ME a lot, but that's my problem), as long as the words of the chorus are there, along with the right spirit.

8 May 2011
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paulsbass said:

To be perfectly honest, the 200 songs from memory – that's just my GUITAR repertoire. Of course there are more songs I know on the PIANO.

Did that sound a tiny little bit like bragging? I'm not totally sure…

Nah. I have most of the Beatles catalogue memorized to sing, and it's remarkable how easy it is to learn a song when you like it. 

If I seem to act unkind, it's only me, it's not my mind that is confusing things.
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8 May 2011
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Not to brag, but (and most others probably can as well), I can sing at least 400 songs. Just Beatles and Solo, plus Neil Young, CSNY, Elton, Guess Who. Most people can sing at least 400.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
8 May 2011
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Not to brag, but (and most others probably can as well), I can sing at least 400 songs. Just Beatles and Solo, plus Neil Young, CSNY, Elton, Guess Who. Most people can sing at least 400.

LOL!

Obviously you're from Lala-land!

Let's meet some day and take some hours and see how you play and sing 400 songs (at LEAST!) word perfect and note perfect. And if you just can sing them, no problem, I play the guitar. If I know the song I won't need a sheet. Play it in your key as well. Just remember, we're talking about word-perfect here. A single mistake, and you're OUT! OK, I'll be fair. You've got three mistakes for your 400 songs (at LEAST), THEN you're out.

And the last sentence is hilarious. It's true, most people can sing at least 400 songs – if you count the first 5 words of the chorus… And then they don't even know the name of the song and surely not the original performer.

Sorry, mith, I know I shouldn't have answered this post at all…

 

I'm just excited because Dirk Nowitzki and the Dallas Mavericks eliminated the LA Lakers 122-86 in playoff game 4 for a 4:0 sweep!!!! Talking about the NBA here. Any other fans?

8 May 2011
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I'm not a musician. I simply said sing, not play, In terms of musicianship, you trump me. 

(Actually, I'm quite pleased the Lakers are out. I hate Bryant. Thanks, although I don't really follow the NBA, but thanks none the less.)

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I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
9 May 2011
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

I'm not a musician. I simply said sing, not play, In terms of musicianship, you trump me. 

(Actually, I'm quite pleased the Lakers are out. I hate Bryant. Thanks, although I don't really follow the NBA, but thanks none the less.)

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Ok.

I thought it was clear I was talking about performing 200 songs on stage, not in the bathtub or the car. As I pointed out, there's a difference.

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9 May 2011
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I'm a huge Bulls fan so hopefully we'll see Dirk and the Mavs in the finals. a-hard-days-night-george-10
It's tough to remember all the words to songs when you're playing because of everything else you have to be thinking about. I've been listening to You've Got to Hide Your Love Away for a decade and still tend to forget some words when I'm playing it.
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Well it's nice to see you get along by yourselves. a-hard-days-night-john-2apple01apple01

 

And what I understood from SunKing's posts, it was singing. I can't do it alone, I need to hear the song to remember the songs..

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mithveaen said:

And what I understood from SunKing's posts, it was singing.

That was all I was saying. You will always musically trump me, paulsbass. (Does anyone else get confused seeing trump with a lower case "t"?

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