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Are there any fans of Phil Collins here?

I was very into Phil Collins and Genesis at about the age of 13 (1983) and by about 1988 I had lost interest in Phil’s solo career, but still loved Genesis, especially the early Genesis with Peter Gabriel.  Then I went through a phase for about 28 years where I thought Peter Gabriel’s solo music was superior to Phil Collins’.  I still loved the first two Phil Collins albums and the Genesis albums with Phil singing on them up through Duke (and maybe Abacab).

In the early 90’s it was just Phil overkill. I got very tired of seeing his face and hearing his voice.

Then fast forward to a couple of years ago.  I revisited the 80’s/90’s Genesis and realized it wasn’t that bad.

Now with Phil coming out with his “Take a Look At Me Now” campaign, I am doing just that.  And his music is actually good. I don’t know if it’s a case where I am just old enough to appreciate it.  They say that statistically, most people can’t really appreciate Elvis until they turn 37. I wonder if there is a magic age where Phil Collins seems cool again.

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Phil Collins/Genesis fan checking in heart Love his music. Knowing Ringo was his big hero when he was a kid, only makes me like him more.

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You can read Phil’s thoughts on Ringo at the end of the Michael Starr biography, Ringo: With a Little Help .

Phil also did a cover of Tomorrow Never Knows a year after John died.  He also has a cover of Golden Slumbers /Carry That Weight /The End , but I haven’t heard it yet.

Also, he played on All Things Must Pass and was one of the kids in the audience during A Hard Day’s Night (but they didn’t use him in the film because he was listening to the music, not screaming).

Steve Hackett has said that The Beatles were a big influence on Genesis and prog rock.

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He also did Tarzan. 

https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

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He also did another cartoon called Brother Bear. I haven’t seen either one.

He acted in a movie called Buster where he played a lovable bank robber. I saw it on the big screen when it came out in the 80’s. He was in a thriller after that called Frauds, which I am interested in seeing. He plays a villain in that one.

And I think he was in Hook, which I also managed not to see when it came out.

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No, that wasn’t Phil. Bob Hoskins played in Hook, but I must admit I initially thought it was Phil too.

 

 

oooooooops, he DID play in Hook. Phil and Bob both did. My bad.

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Are there any fans of Phil Collins here?

Not a huge fan, but a fan.

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Big fan, of all his music – solo and with Genesis (right to the bitter end). I have a lot of their (and his solo) CDs and DVDs. My kids love a lot of the Genesis videos.

I never understood the backlash against him – and also why it seemed to affect him so much – seeing as how he gave so much joy to so many people.

I particularly love his work on the Tarzan movie from Disney – it’s up there with the Lion King soundtrack for me.

He also did some nice work on QE2 with Mike Oldfield.

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I like a very small amount of his material; anything after ‘We Cant Dance’ in 1991(?) (admittedly by Genesis) I’ve never thought was worth bothering with. 

‘Buster’ is a watchable film but it would be a lie to suggest Phil is anything more than a decent actor.

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I think he started out acting as a child, but didn’t have any big parts in anything.

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I’m a fan of older Genesis – especially A Trick Of The Tail.

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In the early 90’s it was just Phil overkill. I got very tired of seeing his face and hearing his voice.
 

Same.

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A Trick of the Tail has a few good songs but I prefer Wind and Wuthering, Duke, and And Then There Were Three.

I think those three + The Lamb are my favorites.

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Are there any fans of Phil Collins here?
 
 

*puts Phil Collins and Genesis on my list of music artists I should probably look up*

I hope that gives you an answer

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@natureaker, two Genesis albums to avoid are the first and last ones, From Genesis to Revelation (where they haven’t yet developed their signature sound), and Calling All Stations (where Phil Collins left and they added a mediocre singer).

Early Genesis has really long songs (up to 23 minutes) with mythical creatures and fantastical stories. The lead singer, Peter Gabriel, dressed up in ever more outlandish costumes which he created himself.  The costumes went with the stories of the songs.

The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, the last Gabriel album, is a massive 2-disc concept album about a New York City street punk named Rael who takes a mystical journey to the underworld. He encounters various creatures along the way such as the Lamia and the Slippermen.

Beginning with A Trick of The Tail, Phil Collins became the singer and Gabriel left. No more costumes, and the songs gradually became shorter and more immediate and direct. This became even more true after the departure of the lead guitarist, Steve Hackett (whose last album was Wind and Wuthering).

Abacab was the start of a more pop sound (though still including echoes of early Genesis), which continued through to the end. Don’t let the “pop” label steer you away from those albums, though. There are some really great songs, especially on Abacab, which has some of the best moments of Genesis.

Phil Collins’ solo career was very influenced by motown and ballads, with a few hard rocking songs here and there. I would recommend Hello, I Must Be Going (his second album) as a starting place.

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Phil Collins came up in an article about Ringo’s greatness.

A Day In The Life  (“Sgt. Pepper ’s Lonely Hearts Club Band” 1967) Phil Collins said it best in a 1992 documentary on the making of the “Sgt. Pepper ’s” album: “I think he’s vastly underrated. The drum fills on “A Day In The Life ” are very complex things. You could take a great drummer today and say, “I want it like that.” They wouldn’t know what to do.”

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where they dropped Phil Collins

It was my understanding that he left to focus on his solo career?

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trcanberra said
where they dropped Phil Collins

It was my understanding that he left to focus on his solo career?

Yes, that’s right. Poor word choice on my part.

And then Chester Thompson asked if he could join and they said no. I’m not sure what their reason was but that always bothered me.

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Love Phil in Genesis. (Haven’t gotten to his solo stuff yet.) A Trick Of The Tail, Wind And Wuthering, and And Then There Were Three, are great albums.

His drumming is amazing. Very rhythmic. Only bested by Bill Ward, in my opinion.

I probably wouldn’t have gotten into him/Genesis if my mom hasn’t lent me her worn copy of Wind And Wuthering.

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I have my Nan’s old One More Night single which she says I used sing along to when I was little, but I have had it for 4 months now and haven’t listened to it ATM, nor have I endeavored into Genesis or Phil Collins’s solo work (but I am considering!) I do quite like I Don’t Care Anymore and this one other song of his of which title I don’t know.

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It would have been difficult to avoid Genesis or Phil in the 70’s/80’s even if I didn’t like them a-hard-days-night-george-9But to be honest, I’m only familiar with the singles. They’re all great songwriters, and Phil turns up on a lot of surprising albums as a session drummer. I really hope he can play a song on the new tour, it saddens me that such a talent is physically prevented. Also a cautionary tale to the rest of us musos: good technique can also save your health!

Just on the Phil backlash: he had a LOT of chart success over a number of years as a solo artist and was frankly overplayed on radio (it was bad enough here in Australia, it must have been insane in the UK). Phil didn’t have a celebrity persona as such, which is common with a lot of musicians, and the music press got sick of him and started throwing personal insults, and this also coincided with the rise of the tabloid press which also started in on it. It was all very ugly, and very unfair.

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