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10 December 2011
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Here's a report on a prison who has been held for 7 years in the uk yet never been put on trial. The BBC requested an interview but it was refused. There is an ongoing legal fight regarding his extradition to the US to face charges relating to terrorism, which Babar Ahmad has always denied.

 

One of the issues i have with politicians over here in the UK is that there is so much blame thrown around, 'its because of labour/conservations/liberals (delete as appropriate) that this has happened', yet no actual talk about how to tackle it. And the amount of back-tracking and spin is rediculous. Im not naive and expecting 100% straight talking honesty as thats simply not going to happen but the least they can do is stick to their principles and let their pledges hold for more than 5 minutes.

I would like to stress tho that there are politicians who are determined to stick to their beliefs, fight for what they stand for, and be a voice  for the people they represent.

 

It will be interesting to see how the Liberal Democrats do at the next General Election as they suffered badly at the local elections after been seen to sell out nearly everything they stood after joining a coalition with the Conservatives.

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Listen, Walrus, it's fine that you haven't done any legitimate research into 9/11 and are just basing this off of your beliefs, it's no big deal because you are in the majority. But please don't call me a fool because I have spent an enormous amount of time researching what happened and so I don't take it lightly. I would love for you to go investigate the insider trading that occurred before and on the day itself and the $750 million of gold and silver that was in the process of being stolen from the basement of the World Trade Center before they collapsed that morning and explain it away. It's pretty simple too, just go to historycommons.org and read the complete 9/11 Timeline and you'll have all the information you could possibly want and more from a non-conspiratorial website.
Here's an easy and quite relevant one, Christine Todd Whitman was the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency and she repeatedly made the claim that the air was safe to breath despite a recorded reading that there was a 4.5 percent level of asbestos in the area. Whitman claimed that the asbetos level was less than one percent, so she lied, it's a simple as that. Asbestos is a cancer causing fiber btw. Now thousands of first responders are dying or are terminally ill because of her negligence, but of course she hasn't been held accountable for her flat out lie. Clearly this goverment agency did not have the interests of the people at heart.
I'm not going to push the subject but I'm also not going to hesitate to encourage people to research the event for themselves. It has absolutely everything to do with what they are trying to pass now.
On to the topic of politics, nothing will change because change is not profitable and the corporations and politicians running this place don't really care about the people. Avoid cognitive dissonance and things will be okay.

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12 December 2011
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GniknuS said:

Listen, Walrus, it's fine that you haven't done any legitimate research into 9/11 and are just basing this off of your beliefs, it's no big deal because you are in the majority. But please don't call me a fool because I have spent an enormous amount of time researching what happened and so I don't take it lightly.

I didn't actually say you were a fool, I said you were making yourself look like one and that it might lead to people who don't know that you aren't a fool thinking that you are one.

I have looked at a lot of the conspiracies about 9/11, unfortunately most of them are obvious rubbish which kinda discredits the remainder.

What you said about Whitman worried me. Some Googling showed me that she only said the air was safe to breathe on the 18th of September, which eased my concerns that she was telling firefighters and ambulance staff that the air was safe to breathe. I found this article: http://www.seattlepi.com/natio.....122465.php

which worries me, because it says that the government were omitting safety data from the reports.

There are two possible conclusions, the one in the article (the White House did not want to cause panic) and the one you seem to be hinting at (the government wanted people to breathe polluted air for some nefarious means).

If you're including traders making deals you consider suspicious, pilots performing complicated manouvers to crash aeroplanes and kill themselves, members of the EPA... it's like the Earth being flat, you'd have to pay off everyone who has ever travelled to the poles, anyone who has ever been to space or launched a satelitte. There are too many people involved for any attempt by the US government to pull the whole thing off to have worked, and there's still no motivation for Bush. Aside from invading Afghanistan, which he was going to do anyway, but that was hardly a great career move.

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A number of good questions have been raised and I believe I can provide some answers. Sun King said that we shouldn't try to go insane here but that doesn't mean we shouldn't research the event. The points you guys have made are valid, that it would take an awful lot for whoever to pull this off, and my counter to that would be that this is exactly what whoever pulled the event off wants you to think so you don't really look into it.
To the point about Whitman, you have to consider that Wall Street was right around the corner from the WTC complex so her claims about the air were most likely to open Wall Street back up. And the point isn't that she said the air was safe to breath on the 18th, it's that she knowingly did not say that the air was unsafe to breath when she got the data. There is no way that including the information about asbestos is useless because both buildings were covered with asbestos fireproofing. And asbestos certainly wasn't the only toxic material in the air, and yet the common workers were allowed to wear paper masks while those in government roles wore hazmat suits.
Never did I claim Bush was responsible as it's a pretty childish claim. Bush benefited tremendously from 9/11 as did Cheney and all of the defense contractors and arms industries and so on. It's not necessarily politically, but financially especially Halliburton where Cheney was the former CEO and still had a huge stake in that company.
Maybe the lie is too great to have been pulled off, but that doesn't mean that it needn't be investigated. The simple reality is that there were huge amounts of money being made from the stocks of American and United Airlines, Boeing and almost every financial institution located within those towers whose stock plummeted. That's not conspiracy, Dan Rather reported it on the CBS news. The "conspiracy theorists" who started the 9/11 truth movement were family members of the victims and this is simply because they have had the most reason to look into the events. All I'm saying is that in order to truly progress anywhere politically, we need to replace 'I believe' or 'I don't belueve' statements with 'I know because I've investigated' statements. Otherwise you're just being led by other people's beliefs and those people may not have your best interests at heart.

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