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Most overrated Band ever?
10 February 2014
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All right, not a band, but (some people will kill me for this) Bob Dylan.

I guess it's just his style that I don't like, but his voice doesn't sound very good either. Just don't enjoy it.

On earlier conversations: I love The Clash. They're number 3 on my all time bands list (behind Beatles and Nirvana). Train In Vain is one of my favorite songs ever. 

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10 February 2014
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IveJustSeenAFaceo said

All right, not a band, but (some people will kill me for this) Bob Dylan.

 

I can agree up to some point with you. Rolling Stone magazine named Like A Rolling Stone the best song of all time...

I agree that it is a really catchy and great song (probably is his best), but it is not the best of all time.

I have listened very few songs of him, but he is good, though not at the levels of The Beatles or Queen.

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10 February 2014
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TheOneBeatleManiac said

IveJustSeenAFaceo said

All right, not a band, but (some people will kill me for this) Bob Dylan.

 

I can agree up to some point with you. Rolling Stone magazine named Like A Rolling Stone the best song of all time...

I agree that it is a really catchy and great song (probably is his best), but it is not the best of all time.

I have listened very few songs of him, but he is good, though not at the levels of The Beatles or Queen.

I find some of Queen's material unlistenable junk. Tracks like The Hitman, Flash & I'm In Love With My Car are laughably dreadful.

 

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meanmistermustard said

I find some of Queen's material unlistenable junk. Tracks like The Hitman, Flash & I'm In Love With My Car are laughably dreadful.

 

Ironically, The Hitman I found it somewhat underrated, but I'll admit that Flash is intentionally laughable (the whole movie is campy but that makes it work). I haven't heard I'm In Love With My Car yet, but yeah, even Brian May thought that Roger Taylor was joking when he told him that he was writing a song called like that. ahdn_ringo_09

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10 February 2014
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TheOneBeatleManiac said

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I find some of Queen's material unlistenable junk. Tracks like The Hitman, Flash & I'm In Love With My Car are laughably dreadful.

 

Ironically, The Hitman I found it somewhat underrated, but I'll admit that Flash is intentionally laughable (the whole movie is campy but that makes it work). I haven't heard I'm In Love With My Car yet, but yeah, even Brian May thought that Roger Taylor was joking when he told him that he was writing a song called like that. ahdn_ringo_09

Some of their more obscure tracks are brilliant and should be highlight so here are 10: Leaving Home Ain't Easy, Mother Love, Jealousy, It's Late, March of the Black Queen, Liar, Don't Try So Hard, Man On The Prowl, Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon, Seaside Rendezvous. 

Made In Heaven is such a strong, consistent album, and not an easy feat considering how it was recorded and The Works is one of my favourite albums from anyone (not made keen on Machines (Back To Humans) but its ok).

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10 February 2014
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I can agree with you in everything there mmm.

My favorite album of them is Innuendo, it was the first I heard (after hearing some of their most famous songs i.e Bohemian Rhapsody), was their last with all four members alive and it has a Queen-I feel, making it all going full circle, with Made In Heaven being the epitaph.

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10 February 2014
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mr. Sun king coming together said

The Beach Boys, ask me each day, and expect new answers. God Only Knows rules, but I sick of the fast cars, beach girls formula songs.

Well, they are in a 50/50 thing.

They have horrible fillers in their first seven albums, but have masterpieces up to The Smile Sessions for the most part.

They were more of a vocal band, but even so their tunes aren't that bad, but most of the first seven albums tunes are very typical.

Surfin' USA & Little Deuce Coupe are probably the only albums of them that I can hear completely (specially Surfin' USA, where the fillers are less horrible than on other albums).

I have listened to all of their albums up to Smiley Smile because that is where they got lost (they still have some song that is good but they had never come back to the success they had in the early to mid-60's.)

Here I will list some songs that you might wanna give a try of them:

Surfin Safari: Surfin Safari, Summertime Blues
Surfin' USA: Surfin' USA, Farmer's Daughter, Lonely Sea, Shut Down, Lana
Surfer Girl: Surfer Girl, The Surfer Moon, Little Deuce Coupe, In My Room, Your Summer Dream
Little Deuce Coupe: Little Deuce Coupe, Ballad Of Ole Betsy, Be True To Your School
Shut Down Vol. 2: ''Fun, Fun, Fun'', Don't Worry Baby, The Warmth Of The Sun
All Summer Long: I Get Around, All Summer Long, Wendy
Today!: Please Let Me Wonder, I'm So Young, In The Back Of My Mind
Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!): ''Help Me, Rhonda''
Pet Sounds: Wouldn't It Be Nice, God Only Knows, Pet Sounds
The Smile Sessions: Our Prayer, Heroes And Villains, Roll Plymouth Rock, Wonderful, Wind Chimes, Surf's Up, Vega-Tables, Good Vibrations

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10 February 2014
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With Queen, I love the classics, but I don't really like the slightly more obscure stuff. The ''fillers'', if you like. Something about the commercialism that surrounds them puts me off a bit, though.

Overrated, though? Hmm... that word again, the one that seems to be so controversial on here. No, they're not. They were a good band, and Brian May is a very talented guitarist. He was key to their success.

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10 February 2014
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With Queen, I love the classics, but I don't really like the slightly more obscure stuff. The ''fillers'', if you like. Something about the commercialism that surrounds them puts me off a bit, though.

Overrated, though? Hmm... that word again, the one that seems to be so controversial on here. No, they're not. They were a good band, and Brian May is a very talented guitarist. He was key to their success.

I'd have to disagree with that. I think they're one of the few bands where all the parts are essential. It's easy for the Stones to replace people, they've done it. Queen is Freddie Mercury, Brian May, John Deacon, and Roger Taylor. There's no one in there that made them great. U2 and the Beatles are the other two I can think of where without any one of their members they'd crumble.

Nirvana with Kurt Cobain wouldn't work out, but they could have had a bassist other than Krist Novoselic and been great anyway. The Clash without Strummer or Jones wouldn't have been anything, but they could've had a different drummer and been just as good.

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^^  Oh, I don't mean to disregard any of the others, but I think if you replaced him then you'd have a different band. Not to say that the same wouldn't have happened if you do the same with the any of the other 3 either, but it's with him and Mercury I feel it most. You're spot on though, they're one of those bands where they're as good as they are because of what they did together. Perhaps not quite as much as in, say, the Beatles, though. That's just my opinion.

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MotherNaturesDaughter said
Now I know I'm going to be killed for saying this, but I find Led Zeppelin to be quite overrated. Of course I love Stairway To Heaven but other than that I just can't get into their music.

Agreed

 

mr. Sun king coming together said
MND, I agree about Zeppelin. I enjoy Stairway and Kashmir, but Robert Plant has to be one of rocks worst vocalists.
 

And this would be why I'd agree, his wailing makes Geddy Lee sound pretty good actually, except Geddy Lee isn't hailed as one of the greats as Robert Plant so often is.  John Bonham, on the other hand, is the innovative drummer that he's billed as (as is Neil Peart), and both belong in the same discussion as Ringo when it comes to unique individual drumming styles.  Led Zeppelin, "Most overrated Band ever" hands down...:-)

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Personally i think Queen needed Freddie far more than Brian but the other 3 were very muc...

 

Actually forget that, Queen needed all 4. Freddie had such charisma, not only with the press but with the audience whereas John Deacon was an incredible bass player and provided such amazing ideas and contributions to their songs.  Very underrated. And look at them now, well Brian and Roger, crapping all over their name with all that rubbish Queen + nonsense with shitty guest vocalists. 

Call the act something else and leave the Queen brand alone. The fans will turn up with Brian and Roger there so why not.

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meanmistermustard said
Personally i think Queen needed Freddie far more than Brian but the other 3 were very muc...

 

Actually forget that, Queen needed all 4. Freddie had such charisma, not only with the press but with the audience whereas John Deacon was an incredible bass player and provided such amazing ideas and contributions to their songs.  Very underrated. And look at them now, well Brian and Roger, crapping all over their name with all that rubbish Queen + nonsense with shitty guest vocalists. 

Call the act something else and leave the Queen brand alone. The fans will turn up with Brian and Roger there so why not.

Exactly. I think they're one of very few bands where it's not just a bit different if you replace any one member. The Beatles are one, U2 is another (they're the only active band of more than 30 years who've never changed their lineup). Other great bands such as Nirvana, Zeppelin, The Who, The Stones and The Clash don't have that unique characteristic of NEEDING all of the members they famously had.

Since nowadays I have to tie everything to Nirvana, if Krist Novoselic or Dave Grohl had died in 1994, would they have kept going? I think so. Cobain was obviously the heart and soul of that band.

Meanwhile, for the Beatles, if George had somehow died in 1967, I think they would have quit. If Paul had they would have stopped. But of course, Paul did die in 1967, so I'm wrong about the Beatles

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said

meanmistermustard said
Personally i think Queen needed Freddie far more than Brian but the other 3 were very muc...

 

Actually forget that, Queen needed all 4. Freddie had such charisma, not only with the press but with the audience whereas John Deacon was an incredible bass player and provided such amazing ideas and contributions to their songs.  Very underrated. And look at them now, well Brian and Roger, crapping all over their name with all that rubbish Queen + nonsense with shitty guest vocalists. 

Call the act something else and leave the Queen brand alone. The fans will turn up with Brian and Roger there so why not.

Exactly. I think they're one of very few bands where it's not just a bit different if you replace any one member. The Beatles are one, U2 is another (they're the only active band of more than 30 years who've never changed their lineup). Other great bands such as Nirvana, Zeppelin, The Who, The Stones and The Clash don't have that unique characteristic of NEEDING all of the members they famously had.

Since nowadays I have to tie everything to Nirvana, if Krist Novoselic or Dave Grohl had died in 1994, would they have kept going? I think so. Cobain was obviously the heart and soul of that band.

Meanwhile, for the Beatles, if George had somehow died in 1967, I think they would have quit. If Paul had they would have stopped. But of course, Paul did die in 1967, so I'm wrong about the Beatles

Paul died in '67. Wouldn't that be Faul? If so there was a replacement for Faul. Must have been confusing having another fake-Paul so no wonder they grew apart and split up in a matter of a few years.

 

Never got U2 and Bono coming across as a sanctimonious tosser makes me want to put no effort into further discovering their music. Don't tell me to turn the lights out when i leave the room so to save the planet by flying from the US in a specially chartered plane to Glasgow Airport and then driving to my door. It's like saying we must save Endangered Animals whilst taking part in a cull the Panda safari.

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11 February 2014
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Have I said Queen?

 

*looks back through thread*

 

Oh, yes.  I did.  Multiple times over.  Sorry about that.

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Billy Rhythm said

MotherNaturesDaughter said
Now I know I'm going to be killed for saying this, but I find Led Zeppelin to be quite overrated. Of course I love Stairway To Heaven but other than that I just can't get into their music.

Agreed

 

mr. Sun king coming together said
MND, I agree about Zeppelin. I enjoy Stairway and Kashmir, but Robert Plant has to be one of rocks worst vocalists.
 

And this would be why I'd agree, his wailing makes Geddy Lee sound pretty good actually, except Geddy Lee isn't hailed as one of the greats as Robert Plant so often is.  John Bonham, on the other hand, is the innovative drummer that he's billed as (as is Neil Peart), and both belong in the same discussion as Ringo when it comes to unique individual drumming styles.  Led Zeppelin, "Most overrated Band ever" hands down...:-)

I feel I'm in the minority here because I think Plant is a very good vocalist (and I know it doesn't really mean anything but he was voted as no1 in RS mag). His wailing can get a bit much in some songs, but "one of Rock's worst vocalists" is harsh.

And they can't be overrated because of the massive fanbase they have (for example, they broke the Shea Stadium record held by the Beatles), and because they were a very critically succesful group. If you don't like them then that's one thing, but to say they're overrated is silly. Page is a brilliant guitarist and Bonham is one of the best drummers we've seen, plus they came up with some good lyrics. So how can they be "overrated"?

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I agree on Led Zeppelin. 

Having said that, I like Led Zeppelin.

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fabfouremily said

Billy Rhythm said

MotherNaturesDaughter said
Now I know I'm going to be killed for saying this, but I find Led Zeppelin to be quite overrated. Of course I love Stairway To Heaven but other than that I just can't get into their music.

Agreed

 

mr. Sun king coming together said
MND, I agree about Zeppelin. I enjoy Stairway and Kashmir, but Robert Plant has to be one of rocks worst vocalists.
 

And this would be why I'd agree, his wailing makes Geddy Lee sound pretty good actually, except Geddy Lee isn't hailed as one of the greats as Robert Plant so often is.  John Bonham, on the other hand, is the innovative drummer that he's billed as (as is Neil Peart), and both belong in the same discussion as Ringo when it comes to unique individual drumming styles.  Led Zeppelin, "Most overrated Band ever" hands down...:-)

I feel I'm in the minority here because I think Plant is a very good vocalist (and I know it doesn't really mean anything but he was voted as no1 in RS mag). His wailing can get a bit much in some songs, but "one of Rock's worst vocalists" is harsh.

And they can't be overrated because of the massive fanbase they have (for example, they broke the Shea Stadium record held by the Beatles), and because they were a very critically succesful group. If you don't like them then that's one thing, but to say they're overrated is silly. Page is a brilliant guitarist and Bonham is one of the best drummers we've seen, plus they came up with some good lyrics. So how can they be "overrated"?

 

No, I think that I'd be more in the minority on this one while you'd have plenty of company.  As I said John Bonham was an innovation on the drums, but Plant & Page are wankers, in my opinion.  Sure it took some skill to wank on that level, but they only appeared to me to do one thing very well and lacked any versatility, the sound never grew or evolved into anything other than the raucous noise that's audible on virtually everything they do which I don't find all that pleasant to the human ear.  Sure, they had/have a "massive fanbase" but so does Justin Bieber.  I'm not sure what Shea Stadium record "they broke" but records set/broke shouldn't make/break one's rightful place amongst the Rock'n'Roll Gods, and always need to be put into proper context.  For example if it's an attendance record broken one needs to consider the total population of New York City in August 1965 against how many more people resided there in the 1970s, or whenever the record was broken, not to mention that the stadium could've undergone renovations during that decade which added a significant number of seats.  If it was a "fastest sellout" record, well, could you order your tickets on the telephone with a credit card back in 1965?  I look at the ones that Led Zeppelin spawned afterwards which were a whole generation of long haired wailers who sounded even worse than he did, I don't recall very many talented musicians that I respect cite Plant or Page as a major influence, yet the peer review journals make them out to be some hugely important piece of history comparable to The Beatles, so yeah, definitely overrated in my books...:-) 

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Well, I meant 'minority' as in on this site. There seems to be a lot of people that share your views here.

The record they broke is attendance at Shea Stadium. It is true that you need to bear in mind the population, but I was giving this as an example that they have a big fanbase, though I know that doesn't necessarily mean much (as you say, look at JB). I don't know if there was a big surge in pop. from 1965 to '75.

As for who they inspired or influenced, well Queen and Deep Purple are the two that come to mind straight away. They were the first band to do what eventually led to heavy metal/hard rock music. Whether you like it is irrelvant, because there are plenty that do.

Overrated is someone who is talentless and yet popular, or that's the definition that I have of the term. For starters, Page is a very good guitarist. I'm not sure how you can deny that, really. I also think the other 3 were talented. Together, I think they created a band that inspired the music of the rest of the decade and the 80s (though I don't have much interest in them tbh), but you obviously don't share that view.

We'll agree to disagree.

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Fair enough, and yeah your definition of "overrated" differs than mine probably.  Jimi Hendrix is somebody else that I listen to about as often as I do Led Zeppelin, but I understand the stature that's been given to him for he truly did revolutionize the way the guitar is played.  Don't care for what I'm hearing but respect the musicianship, I can't say the same at all for Jimmy Page, I use the word "wank" because that's pretty much all he did from what I'm hearing and when he wasn't "wanking" he was ripping off other's riffs, although to be fair to him it wasn't his fault (well, directly anyway) that people made him out to be more than he was (my definition of "overrated").  You mention Queen as being influenced by Led Zeppelin, but they're also being discussed here as the "Most overrated Band ever"...:-)

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