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I read the news today (oh boy) - Current world events
17 March 2014
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The saddest thing to me about this area, and I realise I may get jumped up and down on for saying this, is how unsupportive women are of other women. Many of the most vicious and derogatory comments I have seen about successful women over the years have come from other women. Many women who do make it in a "man's world" are shown not to be good at promoting women within their organisations. It often seems to me that while male attitudes toward successful women can be a problem, female attitudes toward successful women is as much of a problem.

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17 March 2014
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Ron Nasty said
The saddest thing to me about this area, and I realise I may get jumped up and down on for saying this, is how unsupportive women are of other women.

 

That's not the saddest thing. The saddest thing is the systemic sexism that creates the behavior. Look to the source, not the symptom.

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17 March 2014
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Unfortunately, you're right, RN. I've seen for myself how women can be cruel to each other when one does well. In fact, all you need to do is pick up a cheap paper and have a quick glance at the female columnists that write for them. There's loads of them, and all they seem to do is attack other women. I suppose there is jealousy at the root of it.

I agree with parlance on this one, if we solved the cause we might just find that this would too all but disappear.

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17 March 2014
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parlance said

Ron Nasty said
The saddest thing to me about this area, and I realise I may get jumped up and down on for saying this, is how unsupportive women are of other women.

 

That's not the saddest thing. The saddest thing is the systemic sexism that creates the behavior. Look to the source, not the symptom.

parlance

I may be misunderstanding your point, parlance, and please forgive me if I am. However, you seem to be suggesting that those women who attack other women (such as the columnists Emily referred to) are not to blame for their actions, but that they do it because of the male-inspired "sexist world" we live in.

I'm sorry but I disagree. We see comparable behaviour in most of the higher primates, with females (and males) jostling for their place within the hierarchy of the group. It is a competition thing.

We sometimes forget that at our most basic we are just another set of animals, but with an intelligence to allow us to attempt to overcome our DNA and instinctual behaviour.

To just dismiss some aspects of female behaviour by suggesting they only do it because it is a "man's world" is to suggest that women have no choice in the way they treat each other. The way I have seen some women attack other women, were it a man – they would be torn apart for saying such things.

It is too easy to say a symptom is proof of one disease, when it's often evidence of another.

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17 March 2014
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Ron Nasty said
I'm sorry but I disagree. We see comparable behaviour in most of the higher primates, with females (and males) jostling for their place within the hierarchy of the group. It is a competition thing.

If you see it merely as a competition thing, then why, in the context of this conversation, are you pointing it out as a "sad" thing that women specifically do to each other? Why not discuss it as a sad thing humans do to each other?

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17 March 2014
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parlance said

Ron Nasty said
I'm sorry but I disagree. We see comparable behaviour in most of the higher primates, with females (and males) jostling for their place within the hierarchy of the group. It is a competition thing.

If you see it merely as a competition thing, then why, in the context of this conversation, are you pointing it out as a "sad" thing that women specifically do to each other? Why not discuss it as a sad thing humans do to each other?

parlance

Because, in the context of this conversation, which is about the ways women's confidence is undermined in society, I was making the point that women's confidence is not only undermined by outdated sexist attitudes, but also by the way some women still feel it perfectly acceptable to attack other women with words.

The most natural behaviour in the male of the species when attempting to undermine another male is the resort to violence. This has shown itself in various ways throughout history from the duel to the Friday night brawl, and all have become increasingly unacceptable, with the laws of most countries prohibiting them.

Whilst saying there are similar competition behaviours in both genders, I did not say they exhibited in the same way, and the male behaviour has legal statutes to control it, as it was recognised as harmful.

My point, and I stand by it, is that – if we take the example of columnists and commentators – women are much more vicious and demeaning to other women than men are to other men.

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17 March 2014
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Ron Nasty said

My point, and I stand by it, is that – if we take the example of columnists and commentators – women are much more vicious and demeaning to other women than men are to other men.

You can stand by it, but without the "evidence" (since you brought up the word), it's a matter of opinion, not to mention a straw man argument.

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24 March 2014
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Malaysian's Prime Minister has said that the plane is lost in the Southern Indian Ocean and the families of those on board have been informed there are no survivors.

The BBC write:

Based on new analysis the UK's Air Accidents Investigation Branch and Inmarsat, the UK company that provided satellite data, "have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth," he said.

"This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."

 

Horrible news but not unexpected.

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24 March 2014
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meanmistermustard said
Malaysian's Prime Minister has said that the plane is lost in the Southern Indian Ocean and the families of those on board have been informed there are no survivors.

The BBC write:

Based on new analysis the UK's Air Accidents Investigation Branch and Inmarsat, the UK company that provided satellite data, "have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth," he said.

"This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."

 

Horrible news but not unexpected.

 

No, not unexpected…but so tragic.

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24 March 2014
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I didn't think it could have been anything else, but that's horrible.

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14 April 2014
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Pulitzer winners announced today. I don't always read the the entire list, but this year one of the finalists in drama was a musical based on one of my favorite graphic novels, Fun Home.

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15 April 2014
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Maybe only applicable or of interest to anyone else from this region, but I thought I'd share my thoughts and reflections on it anyway:

The Boston Marathon Bombings: One Year Later

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28 April 2014
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You might have already heard about it on the news but a teacher was stabbed and killed at my school. She was the nicest, kindest, loving teacher there and I don't know how I feel. I was in Maths when a call came saying that the lesson was extended for 10 minutes. I was a bit curious but thought nothing of it. Then the lesson finished and I was walking to RE when a teacher blocked the corridor saying we had to use the other one. Then I heard someone say a teacher had been stabbed. It's weird, you hear about things like this all the tiem in the news but you never really know how it will affect you if it happened in your area.

(I've attached a photo of my planner if any of you nay sayers believe I wasn't there and is making this up)

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28 April 2014
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I am so sorry, LikeASir. I've mentioned here before that there was a shooting on my campus last year. I wasn't there, but I know something about the shock and sadness you feel in face of such violence and loss. If you want to talk, feel free to PM me.

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28 April 2014
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Oh, my, dear LikeASir. Here's a group hug coming to you from the BB forum. Post to us anytime you need to talk this through.

28 April 2014
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Sorry to hear that that incident took place at your school, @LikeASir. It's been on the news most of the afternoon. It's difficult to find words, or even be sure how you're feeling, when something so stupid and pointless happens. We can only be thankful that these events happen rarely in this country, not that that is any comfort.

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28 April 2014
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I'm feeling better. As George said, all things must pass. 

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28 April 2014
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Oh my @LikeASir!!! I am so sorry, wow pretty unbelievable isn't it? I kind of know how you feel, I once had a director that died of a heart attack, while he was at school… He was loved by everyone. I remember every morning he stood at the gate, just to shake our hand, before school started. He always had something nice to say, he was so great. And the thing was, his wife was my teacher, so that made it even more difficult for me. I was 9 at that time.

28 April 2014
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Oh my @LikeASir!!! I am so sorry, wow pretty unbelievable isn't it? I kind of know how you feel, I once had a director that died of a heart attack, while he was at school… He was loved by everyone. I remember every morning he stood at the gate, just to shake our hand, before school started. He always had something nice to say, he was so great. And the thing was, his wife was my teacher, so that made it even more difficult for me. I was 9 at that time.

It's probably worse considering you were very young, no child should experience someone dying. It's always that good ones that go, the bad ones keep hanging on…(can't really say that about the Beatles though…)

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Sorry to hear @LikeASir  So much violence in the world…it's very sad. Sending you "peace & love", like Ringo says a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

We have been dealing with a terrible incident here too.  A friend of one of my co-workers was killed by her husband last Monday.  The couple was going through a divorce. The husband didn't want the divorce.  He asked his wife over to his home to sign some papers and although there was never any history of violence between them…he beat her severely.  Blunt force trauma to the head was the cause of death.  So very sad & needless.   On Saturday, the husband was arrested for murder.  Now two "kids" (they are in their 20's) have just lost both their parents.

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