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I read the news today (oh boy) - Current world events
1 September 2013
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I just hate seeing America policing the world even more when every country surrounding Syria sits back and watches.  It always seems like America is doing exactly what its enemies want:  Stumble in and try to fix a problem and end up making it worse, turning more people against them.

Yes, the atrocities in Syria are unacceptable.  But there are a host of other first-world nations that are equally capable of stepping in and intervening.

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1 September 2013
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Two stories.

One is that Sir David Frost has died of a heart-attack. The man was a legend, absolute legend, who actually asked probing and difficult questions (Nixon for one) in interviews instead of pampering politicians and the rest not only in the Uk but in the US and abroad. He also had a great sense of humour, great warmth and just a very decent person. David also of course introduced the Beatles Hey Jude & Revolution promos on his show, interviewed them, and they even played his theme tune. He will be massively missed. (Apologies if this should be in the impossible to derail thread or somewhere else but its big news. Feel free to move it or tell me and I will.)

 

Secondly the bbc report that the radiation levels at the Fukushima Nuclear Plant are way higher than previously reported or measured. Basically its still a huge ongoing disaster which massive implications not only for Japan but the world due to the radiation sweeping into the sea.

 

 

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1 September 2013
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Both stories very bad, and sad, news. Sir Frost was, indeed, a legend.

I don't think this is ''Beatley'' enough to put in the 'Beatles News' thread, personally, but you could post it there as well if you want. And the 'impossible' is just a general thread for putting anything. I think this is just fine here.

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1 September 2013
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Secondly the bbc report that the radiation levels at the Fukushima Nuclear Plant are way higher than previously reported or measured. Basically its still a huge ongoing disaster which massive implications not only for Japan but the world due to the radiation sweeping into the sea.

The Fukushima story has been seriously under-reported.  The cleanup process alone involves manually moving 1300 spent fuel rods, each one weighing over 600 lbs.  And while this sort of thing is usually done in a sealed environment by remote control, at Fukushima it will have to be done by rotating crews of workers, each having to be permanently swapped out after a short time due to the massive radiation.Oh yeah...  And each rod contains enough nuclear material to potentially cause the deaths of 3 billion people.  And there is zero room for any error whatsoever, or it will trigger a chain reaction that will make most of the Northern Hemisphere uninhabitable. But hey!  What about the Miley Cyrus...?  THAT's definitely the more important news story.

 

 

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1 September 2013
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I think the reason they deliberately tried to under report Fukushima is to prevent the spread of panic and mass buying of things in preparation for a nuclear meltdown. I don't think they wanted the level of full scale panic that was seen after Chernobyl. It got so bad David Bowie even wrote a song about it.

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1 September 2013
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The Miley Cyrus "news" has to be one of the saddest reflections on the state of some of the media, the level of news reported and what some people get caught up in. Some lass who cannot sing does a dance on stage with little on to distract from the fact that she cannot sing has been going on for ages in music. I found it amusing that in one of the papers it was reported that a man had watched it 10 times to come to the conclusion it was porn.

 

 

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1 September 2013
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mja6758 said

I do hate all these claims being made about America being the world's oldest modern democracy though. What utter rot! The United Kingdom became a Constitutional Monarchy in 1660, with power ceded to an Elected Parliament. America was only just being founded at the time.

Oldest democratic Republic.

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1 September 2013
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mja6758 said
Yes, it can be argued about the degree of Universal Suffrage, but if Universal Suffrage is the measure, it can be argued that the United States has been a democracy for less than fifty years - only truly becoming one in the 1960s with the passing of its Civil Rights legislation. In this week of remembering Martin Luther King Jnr. and the March on Washington, American politicians should not be jumping up and down claiming to be the world's oldest modern democracy. Tell that to all those who were murdered attempting to give the Afro-American population the vote within some of our lifetime's.

Wow, I didn't know some of us were that old!  The 15th Amendment, granting blacks the right to vote in the U.S.A., was passed in 1870.

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1 September 2013
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I still don't understand exactly what Miley Cyrus "did".  Can someone explain to me?  In cases like this where some pop news item is buzzing so dynamically, Google is of little help because there's all this peripheral distracting unrelated stuff that comes up on searches.

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1 September 2013
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I haven't seen it all, I might end up being violently ill after 20 seconds, but here is the Miley 'performance' as well as a BBC report on complaints received.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....-xPYX9MABI

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1 September 2013
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It's a lot of manufactured "shock" and "outrage" over the whole thing.

What I personally find so distasteful is how desperate it came across.  Miley Cyrus has spent the last year trying to manufacture a "shocking" sexy new image, but she seems to have no clue whatsoever how to do it.  It just comes across as sad and trying too hard.

And at the end of the day, it's really pathetic that *anyone* cares that the son of Alan Thicke and the daughter of Billy Ray Cyrus were trying to make a shame baby on TV, when there are so many critically important issues going on in the world that really affect our lives.

And don't anyone give me the "people need distractions" line.  The aggregate of modern popular culture is one gigantic distraction.

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1 September 2013
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Stick a few ten dollar bill in her briefs, a pole on the stage and dim the lights. It wasn't news, continues to not be, and really doesn't deserve to be in this thread.

Its actually nothing new either, artists over the years have frequently done things which were designed to create a media storm that would result in promotion. The fact its in this thread says that it worked.

 

In a bid to take us away from this nonsense Nelson Mandela has been released from hospital but remains in a critical and at times stable condition. Sadly I dont think this means his condition has improved, probably more about being in a more comfortable and familiar setting.

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1 September 2013
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Thanks mmm and satan -- so am I correct that the whole kerfuffle stems solely from that one performance with Thicke? (I'm not even going to bother watching it, though thanks for linking it)

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1 September 2013
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Yes. Miley had a pop career that was going down the pan, people have been flushing and plunging for ages and it just wouldn't go away. This was it regurgitating and hitting the ceiling so it will take a bit longer before its gone.

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2 September 2013
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Funny Paper said

mja6758 said
Yes, it can be argued about the degree of Universal Suffrage, but if Universal Suffrage is the measure, it can be argued that the United States has been a democracy for less than fifty years - only truly becoming one in the 1960s with the passing of its Civil Rights legislation. In this week of remembering Martin Luther King Jnr. and the March on Washington, American politicians should not be jumping up and down claiming to be the world's oldest modern democracy. Tell that to all those who were murdered attempting to give the Afro-American population the vote within some of our lifetime's.

Wow, I didn't know some of us were that old!  The 15th Amendment, granting blacks the right to vote in the U.S.A., was passed in 1870.

Sometimes you madden me, FP. I often don't know if you say things to wind-up, or because you believe. As someone sitting in the UK, but with an interest of the Civil Rights Movement, I am well aware that many of the Southern States found their way around the 15th Amendment.

Yes, the 15th Amendment was passed in 1870, however the rights they gave were not guaranteed until the passing of the Voting Rights Act in 1965, which prohibited States and local government from having "voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure ... to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color." Just because the 15th was passed in 1870, it does not mean it was enforced, and that it was not blocked in many States by local laws.

I think it is a tragedy that the Supreme Court recently struck down Section 4(b) saying it was no longer necessary, and thus neutering Section 5 unless Congress can agree a new formulation.

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5 September 2013
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I've moved the last two posts, as I don't think they're appropriate here, in hindsight. The 'derail' thread is better suited to it.

Edit - for some reason, I don't have permission to delete this.

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8 September 2013
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 Are the USA now just phoning around every country in the world trying to find anyone who will back their military action along with France since the UK voted no (or "no my mum wont let me come out and play" if you're David Cameron who's coming across as a 5 year old) and Obama failed to win substantial support at the G20 meeting (tho Saudi Arabi, Turkey and Canada might be more on the side of the US)?

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9 September 2013
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mja6758 said
There has been mainstream coverage of the situation in the UK, including a BBC reporter visiting the site.

Could be a good idea for a thread, though I tend to use the "Thread that can't be derailed" when I want to comment on things, as I did at the beginning of the week when I commented on the Syria situation.

Same here - I was watching the Olympic bid and thinking I wouldn't want to be there anytime soon.

 

9 September 2013
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Funny Paper said

mja6758 said
I do hate all these claims being made about America being the world's oldest modern democracy though. What utter rot! The United Kingdom became a Constitutional Monarchy in 1660, with power ceded to an Elected Parliament. America was only just being founded at the time.

Oldest democratic Republic.

I always thought that was Iceland?

 

11 September 2013
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Here's a good discussion on it: http://www.theguardian.com/not.....es/query/0,,-80426,00.html

There are a lot of contenders, and the US doesn't seem to come close.

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