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Erm, so, umm
30 January 2013
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I have no idea what this thread is about so.

Random thought: When you set up speakers there is a left one and a right one, right. So. Which right does the right one go and which left one does the left go. My left and right or my opposite left and right? If its my left and right then the left one will be on the right and the right one will be on the left but if its the opposite left and right then thats not my left and right and right and left because if i then face the direction in which i am sitting the left and right change to right and left. So which way - left and right or right and left?

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30 January 2013
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meanmistermustard said
I have no idea what this thread is about so.

Random thought: When you set up speakers there is a left one and a right one, right. So. Which right does the right one go and which left one does the left go. My left and right or my opposite left and right? If its my left and right then the left one will be on the right and the right one will be on the left but if its the opposite left and right then thats not my left and right and right and left because if i then face the direction in which i am sitting the left and right change to right and left. So which way - left and right or right and left?

I believe most systems have an "L" and a "R" -- so they make that decision for you.

I have noticed with stereo sound that it's not a perfect duality of sound, but one side always seems "dominant" in some subtle way.  I wonder if that's because it's technically impossible to have a perfect split of one sound; only an approximation that most ears  don't notice isn't perfect.

 

 

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30 January 2013
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Funny Paper said

meanmistermustard said
I have no idea what this thread is about so.

Random thought: When you set up speakers there is a left one and a right one, right. So. Which right does the right one go and which left one does the left go. My left and right or my opposite left and right? If its my left and right then the left one will be on the right and the right one will be on the left but if its the opposite left and right then thats not my left and right and right and left because if i then face the direction in which i am sitting the left and right change to right and left. So which way - left and right or right and left?

I believe most systems have an "L" and a "R" -- so they make that decision for you.

I have noticed with stereo sound that it's not a perfect duality of sound, but one side always seems "dominant" in some subtle way.  I wonder if that's because it's technically impossible to have a perfect split of one sound; only an approximation that most ears  don't notice isn't perfect.

Yeah, but even with "L" and "R"  there's no distinction between left and right or opposite left and right.

 

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31 January 2013
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Egroeg Evoli said

Well, we had best make the most of it. Talk about random things... and such... Ooh! Ooh! I know! Let's discuss the difference between erm and umm, two of the three words in the title of this thread.

blue-meanie It was the best thing I could think of.

Seems to be working! Everyone seems to be embracing the new direction so far! Glad you saw the humour in my response, and didn't think I was being evil.

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31 January 2013
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Egroeg Evoli said

Funny Paper said

meanmistermustard said
I have no idea what this thread is about so.

Random thought: When you set up speakers there is a left one and a right one, right. So. Which right does the right one go and which left one does the left go. My left and right or my opposite left and right? If its my left and right then the left one will be on the right and the right one will be on the left but if its the opposite left and right then thats not my left and right and right and left because if i then face the direction in which i am sitting the left and right change to right and left. So which way - left and right or right and left?

I believe most systems have an "L" and a "R" -- so they make that decision for you.

I have noticed with stereo sound that it's not a perfect duality of sound, but one side always seems "dominant" in some subtle way.  I wonder if that's because it's technically impossible to have a perfect split of one sound; only an approximation that most ears  don't notice isn't perfect.

Yeah, but even with "L" and "R"  there's no distinction between left and right or opposite left and right.

 

Yes, but you can know with certainty that their "L" and "R" is either correct or incorrect -- i.e., there's a 50% chance they're correct!

 

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Funny Paper said

Egroeg Evoli said

Funny Paper said

meanmistermustard said
I have no idea what this thread is about so.

Random thought: When you set up speakers there is a left one and a right one, right. So. Which right does the right one go and which left one does the left go. My left and right or my opposite left and right? If its my left and right then the left one will be on the right and the right one will be on the left but if its the opposite left and right then thats not my left and right and right and left because if i then face the direction in which i am sitting the left and right change to right and left. So which way - left and right or right and left?

I believe most systems have an "L" and a "R" -- so they make that decision for you.

I have noticed with stereo sound that it's not a perfect duality of sound, but one side always seems "dominant" in some subtle way.  I wonder if that's because it's technically impossible to have a perfect split of one sound; only an approximation that most ears  don't notice isn't perfect.

Yeah, but even with "L" and "R"  there's no distinction between left and right or opposite left and right.

Yes, but you can know with certainty that their "L" and "R" is either correct or incorrect -- i.e., there's a 50% chance they're correct!

But which 50%?

Maybe the answer is to stack them one on top of the other right in the middle of the room and cement them down so they never move. Or do a Magic Alex and have 5 trillion embedded in the wallpaper.

 

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31 January 2013
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The other way to tell is to

1) play some song from the 60s or 70s (could be any pop group, not just the Beatles) where they purposefully recorded one instrument or voice to be either on the left or the right (sometimes they would vary it -- like having a guitar sound back and forth from left to right over and over; but sometimes it was only on one side)

2) learn from a book or interview with the songwriter(s) which speaker they intended that instrument to sound

3) then listen to both speakers and detect which one matches.

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31 January 2013
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Funny Paper said
The other way to tell is to

1) play some song from the 60s or 70s (could be any pop group, not just the Beatles) where they purposefully recorded one instrument or voice to be either on the left or the right (sometimes they would vary it -- like having a guitar sound back and forth from left to right over and over; but sometimes it was only on one side)

2) learn from a book or interview with the songwriter(s) which speaker they intended that instrument to sound

3) then listen to both speakers and detect which one matches.

The reason I pick the 60s/70s is because beginning in the 60s perhaps (and continuing into the 70s), a lot of pop/rock bands played around with that effect because it was fashionable and it was a way to show off the "new" technology of "stereo".  The effect these days may sound dated, and few bands do it as far as I know (though Beck probably has tried it just to be retro).

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31 January 2013
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The way we knew that my brothers car speakers were bust was because the beatles songs were all wrong sounding since if you turn off one of the speakers you lose so much of whats going on. The obvious one would be the stereo PPM and WTB where one speaker, the left one, is most of the instruments and the right is the vocals and usually overdubs.

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31 January 2013
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Personally, it wouldn't make any difference to myself if I had the channels reversed. My hearing's equally good in either ear.

The only exception I can think of offhand is a song called "Indecision Time" (Husker Du) which contains the lyric "Go to the left/Go to the right", during which the vocal is severely panned to the appropriate channels, just for that one bit of the song. That one bit of literalism-in-mixing makes it "important" that the speakers be hooked up to their proper channels. (And that the listener isn't faced in the wrong direction while listening, I guess.)

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31 January 2013
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^ah, nice to see another Husker Du fan! Zen Arcade is brilliant!

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31 January 2013
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Great, great band! They did a version of "Ticket To Ride" way back then that was impossible to find - I've never heard it myself. No doubt it's easily findable on youtube or somewhere by now.

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31 January 2013
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By the way, for some neurological injuries and symptoms like balance problems etc., there's a treatment where the person should listen to music only in one ear for a set period of time each day.

 

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31 January 2013
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The fourth Santana album -- Caravanserai (1972) -- has frequent use of switching from left to right and back again (particularly parts of the song "All the Love in the Universe"), creating the effect at times of the illusion that the sound is going through your head in both directions -- which is neat since the sound in question is electric guitar chord with Hendrix-esque distortions and feedback.

 

 

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In headphones the stereo Revolution 9 will screw you up if played loud as there is so much panning across the range. You dont want that coming on unexpectantly when youre relaxing, or unexpected actually - the first few number 9's.

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