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9 February 2013
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unknown
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LongHairedLady said

Yeah... have to disagree on many points here.  I've drank, and I have smoked..  lots.  Drinking doesn't alter your brain like marijuana, really?  I'm sorry to sound pretentious here, but I have BIG a problem with people that don't do it, or have only done it a few times talking like they know about it.  Sorry, but if you haven't, then you really have no idea.  

If somebody has one beer, then for many people, no. I'm not talking people who drink to get drunk, if I was, then I wouldn't have said that. Alcohol causes way more problems than marijuana ever will. I'm talking people who drink once in a while, but know their limits. So you smoke weed everyday you know so much, and just because I don't smoke it everyday I know nothing about it. A few is seven, and it might have been more than that. I know people who do and people who used to smoke it everyday, and a lot of what they would say about marijuana was drivel; the biggest one being that you can't become addicted to it, so even if you do, that doesn't necessarily mean you have any idea.

 You should not drink and drive, just like you should not drive stoned.  In my opinion, driving drunk is way worse.  I have never done it, but I admit I used to drive stoned a lot in my younger days.. and I am NOT excusing it, I'm just saying it's different,but it's still bad.  No you can't stop people from doing it, just like you can't stop all of the drunk drivers!  Same thing, people are going to do it whether it's legal or not.

I will agree on one thing though... it is addictive.  That is very true.

Drunk driving is obviously worse, and though people do it anyways, when people get caught, they could have their license suspended, or have to go to jail. There's no way to tell if somebody is driving while high, except the eyes, which really isn't a good way to tell.

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9 February 2013
1.40am
LongHairedLady
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Yes, of course I would know more about marijuana that you do.  I've smoked it daily for over ten years...  mathematically that's 1000 times more than 7 times...  so it's completely logical that I would be more educated.  It would be impossible not to be.  That doesn't mean that you are not entitled to your opinion!  It's just that sometimes you state your opinion like it's a fact.  Fact and opinion are two very different things.  I'm the kind of person where if I don't know much about something based on experience and/or knowledge, I just leave it to those that know about it.  Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion, experience or not.  

Also I agreed with you about it being addictive, I think you may have misunderstood that.  a-hard-days-night-john-6

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

9 February 2013
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Yeah, I got that you were agreeing with me on the addictive part, I was just using that as an example. 

If somebody says something, it's implied that it's that person's opinion; there is no need to say "I think," or "in my opinion" everytime I say something. Doing that would come off as infantile, which is why I don't do that. 

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9 February 2013
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unknown said
Yeah, I got that you were agreeing with me on the addictive part, I was just using that as an example. 

If somebody says something, it's implied that it's that person's opinion; there is no need to say "I think," or "in my opinion" everytime I say something. Doing that would come off as infantile, which is why I don't do that. 

Allright Allright, so in my opinion that's not infantile.  a-hard-days-night-george-10

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

9 February 2013
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A lot of good points here, which is why this argument will not be won 4-0 (to use a football/soccer analogy).

It will be won 6-5 by one side or the other.

LongHairedLady said, "I have BIG a problem with people that don't do it, or have only done it a few times talking like they know about it."

Why?

I think LongHairedLady (LHL) is equating experience with scientific knowledge. You can have smoked pot your entire life and be extremely experienced and still have no knowledge of what the stuff does to you (other than make you stoned).

And vice versa.

In the days when I researched this, I found that pot smokers had no idea of what was already known back then. In short, they were not informed consumers. That's a problem when you're ingesting a substance that stays in your body for weeks.

I considered that ironic considering the intense efforts on the part of these very same people to remove additives and the like from their foods.

This being the Beatlesbible Forum, we can debate whether the Beatles wrote great music thanks to pot or in spite of pot and whether that should have any impact whatsoever on public policy.

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9 February 2013
7.22pm
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On the topic of the Beatles, I don't think their music would have been the same without the pot influence.  It expanded their minds.

I may not have as much scientific knowledge as some do, but I have personal experience.  If you want to put those in different categories then go right ahead.

I'm pretty much done talking about this now, it's the same tired debate and I'm not passionate enough about it to keep defending it.  I do it, and that's my choice.  I am neither proud nor ashamed of it.

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

11 February 2013
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Was pot a factor in the band's changing music? Absolutely. Should that be a factor in the legalization question (which I am completely in favour of)? Hell, no!

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