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5 February 2013
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This topic was brought up in the Beatley Moments thread and is worth discussing.

The arguments for legalizing pot include "we have alcohol so why not pot" + why make recreational users feel like criminals? + society would reap a great deal of taxes + it's expensive and fruitless to chase down pot criminals + people should decide what they want in their body + the Beatles made great music on pot + pot opens up creative channels in our minds.

These arguments have merit.

However...

- Pot IS potentially addictive; just less so than alcohol, heroin, nicotine,... See http://www.psychologytoday.com.....-addictive

- We already have one drug (alcohol) that brings pleasure but also wreaks havoc on our society and another drug that kills you (nicotine), do we need more? How many more? Where do we draw the line? (I'm a beer guy in case you're wondering where I'm coming from, but addiction is a big deal in my family.)

- Contrary to alcohol which is gone without a trace within hours, pot has a half life of 2 weeks. (two weeks after your toke, half of it is still lingering around in all your fat cells). If you then take a medication, no one can tell you what the interaction of that medication will be with that stuff still floating inside you.

- Generally speaking, should we allow anyone to take anything they want? Narcotics? Anti-depressants? Do we get rid of "prescription" medications. So what if someone wants to take more blood pressure medication? So what if someone doesn't mind getting addicted to something? Isn't it their problem?

One difficulty is that it's rarely just one person's problem. When someone has a substance issue, MANY people end up "paying" for that problem.

Ideally, only fully informed, responsible people should be allowed to smoke, eat, chew, or imbibe "substances." How do you accomplish that?????

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5 February 2013
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I'd bump this over to the thread about listening "altered".  

 

I have some thoughts on the topic, but I have to go take my kids to a Birthday party...

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"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

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SatanHimself said
Not participating...  As much as I want to...!  Joe!  Move this thing!

No! It's a different thread. ITSWD was asking specifically about legalisation/decriminalisation, rather than whether people here like getting stoned and listening to music. That's been covered elsewhere.

Disclosure: I've taken my share of various drugs over the years, but nothing since about 1996 (no particular reason, I just prefer not to nowadays). I prefer drinking, and there are lots of drugs I just don't get on with. I have no problem with people doing whatever they want to themselves, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.

However, I would like to see drugs fully decriminalised and licensed, at least in the UK. The tax revenues would be enormous, prisons and courts would have fewer people passing through them, the black market would mostly disappear, crops could be grown without exploitation and murder, people's careers wouldn't be destroyed by criminal records, they would be allowed to buy unadulterated products, and addicts could be registered and helped. It's governments' fears of looking soft on drugs that prevents a grown-up conversation about the benefits of allowing people to do things they're doing anyway, only with less harm to themselves and others as a by-product.

The extra tax should be put towards healthcare, rehabilitation and awareness campaigns. That's what I think anyway - I'm sure some here will disagree.

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unknown said
People who say marijuana is not addictive is wrong, you can get addicted to anything, like I used to be addicted to sunflower seeds. I would literally eat them all day long and skip breakfast, lunch, and dinner, have sunflower seed instead. I still love them, but if I eat too much of them now I get massive stomach aches. 

I don't think marijuana should be legalized, and there is a difference between alcohol being legal and if marijuana were to be. The big one is that if marijuana were to be legalized, there would be no way in making sure people don't drive or go to work, while under the influence of marijuana, since it stays in your bloodstream for weeks. While some people might be able to drive while on marijuana, it's definitely not a good idea for most people, because marijuana can make it hard for people to concentrate on one thing like that. Also, drinking does not alter your brain like marijuana does, unless your drinking to get drunk. Depending on who you are, one drink is nothing. One joint however, is not the same, unless you have grown a tolerance to them. I'm not against marijuana, I have smoked it a few times. Never had a cigarette or drank in my life, though, and never plan on it. 

Yeah... have to disagree on many points here.  I've drank, and I have smoked..  lots.  Drinking doesn't alter your brain like marijuana, really?  I'm sorry to sound pretentious here, but I have BIG a problem with people that don't do it, or have only done it a few times talking like they know about it.  Sorry, but if you haven't, then you really have no idea.  

 You should not drink and drive, just like you should not drive stoned.  In my opinion, driving drunk is way worse.  I have never done it, but I admit I used to drive stoned a lot in my younger days.. and I am NOT excusing it, I'm just saying it's different, but it's still bad.  No you can't stop people from doing it, just like you can't stop all of the drunk drivers!  Same thing, people are going to do it whether it's legal or not.

I will agree on one thing though... it is addictive.  That is very true.

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

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